Monday, Feb 18, 2008
As hard as this statement will be for many readers to accept, the PC is the ultimate gaming platform. It allows for the widest variety of controllers customisations and configurations thereof to ensure that the input methods and UI are appropriate to the game and the person playing it. There is an expanse of games and genres which put every other platform to shame. In terms of multiplayer, I have yet to see any console title introduce the kind of comprehensive and functional server browsing features as those which PC has had since the late 1990s. And in terms of pure, unadultered power - nothing, absolutely nothing on the console side can come close.
But for all this, there is a huge disadvantage to the PC. It is probably the single most fractured market in the world. People worry about some XBox360s lacking a HDD, or certain PS3s not having backwards compatibility, this is nothing compared to the incomprehensibly large number of potential configurations that exist for PCs in the world. And developer's must try to ensure that their games work on a large a cross section of these as possible. Within reason of course.
There's no point in getting Bioware to ensure that Mass Effect for PC has Windows ME support. No point in having Introversion spend some of their precious time trying to sort out compatibility issues with an OEM, no name, no brand USB soundcard that perhaps 0.01% of the gaming community in Malawi have. There's no hope in Crytek even trying to get Crysis to run on an S3 Virge.
But for all the issues that developers face, there is one that is more important in that it is the bane of every single last PC gamer: "Can my box handle this?"
You go to the store and buy an console and you are guaranteed that any game which comes out for that console will run on it, even if the game is a total dog, at least you know that the dog will run. There are no such guarantees for a PC owner.
The game might have an issue with your drivers for any number of devices, with your OS or service pack level, with a particular piece of hardware or another piece of software. But the issue for many games (myself included), which rises above all of these quibbles are the lies (minimum spec), damned lies (recommended spec) and statistics (both) which constitute the system requirements. Such bald-faced falsehoods if uttered in any civilised setting would usually result in some form of criminal charge, or at the very least a civil suit. But somehow, having a set of meaningless numbers and words hidden on the bottom of the box has more credibility than the developers and publishers simply admitting: "We have no goddamn idea what this will run on, although having a card which supports SM3.0 is essential. Until we patch it that is."
People wonder why piracy is such an enormous issue for the PC. In my humble opinion (humble, heh - this is on the Soapbox). It's because people are unwilling to drop money on a game which they have *zero* guarantee of working on their system. And should it not work? Well, lets just say that most game retailers have a chronic aversion to accepting returns on PC games. You can't trade them in. Or if you've purchased through an online store or digital distribution channel, then even the already slim chance of a return is pretty much gone.
And don't for a minute think that demos are an acceptable substitute. The number of demos which come out and bear no resemblance at all to the final product in terms of quality are legion. The greatest offender in my mind was Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. This had one of the most brightly polished demos I have ever played. It ran like a dream on my PC of the time and the gameplay was so smooth that a gecko wouldn't have been able to clamber up its perfectly shaped learning curve. Yet, the final product ran like an arthritic amputee sloth. It appears that they'd spent all their time and money on making a good demo and then failed to include any of the graphics optimisations or performance tweaks in the final product. Then, when they finally started patching it, I was one of the lucky ones for whom the patches managed to completely destroy the game, leaving me unable to even load the menu screen. Even following an upgrade Dark Messiah of Might and Magic continues to be the bane of my system - at least I can play it now, for a few short minutes, before my system inexplicably shorts itself out, not just rebooting, but turning itself off, along with the power to whatever section of my home it happens to be plugged in to. I'd be worried, except it is the only game that has ever done that, and to be quite fair, I wouldn't really expect anything less from it. Maybe after my next upgrade, it will be able to turn my monitor into bridge to the hell dimensions. Again, welcome to the wonderful world of the PC.
So lets move on and look at that great bugbear of PC gaming at the moment: Crysis. A game which at every level appears to be a system hog beyond reproach. The developers continually state that it isn't (and to be fair, they have proved this point), but people are unwilling to risk their hard-earned on something which they aren't sure will run on their PC. As demonstrated by the rampant piracy of this game versus its (to be honest) crap sales. Have no doubt that I will buy Crysis. But by the time I have a system that can do it justice it will be in the "EA budget" range.
And that's the big problem with Crysis - most gamers have a PC that can run it. But they don't want to "make do" with the low-end graphics options that they'd have to deal with. I have been looking at movies and screenshots of it at insane resolutions, and even played it for a few minutes on a system which I may be able to afford if I spent the better part of six months pay on it. So, suddenly playing a game that looks like 2004 due to my system being rubbish just wouldn't be the same. When the time comes, Crysis will take the place of Far Cry in my line-up of Far Cry, Doom 3, Lock On: Modern Air Combat and Half Life 2: The Lost Coast in the list of games that I keep on hand just to see how well my upgrades are treating me.
On another front in the constant battle between PC gamers and their systems, I'm struggling with Call of Duty 4 at the moment. Following Activision's outrageous pricing adjustments on Steam, I decided to purchase the box copy of the game (prior to discovering that those of us in Australia can still get it for the actual price via the WarCry digital store). However, my DVD drive fails to read the full disc. I can install the game by copying the game folder to my HDD, but a full install eludes me. And even with the folder copying - some files remain inaccessible. It's all enough to make me download an ISO just so I can install the damn thing properly. And yes, I exchanged the disc, just in case that was the issue. So, because of this issue with my DVD drive, I cannot complete the campaign, at least not until I upgrade.
And here is where the PC really falls down, upgrading. In the relentless arms race between NVIDIA and ATI, Intel and AMD and so many other groups all with their own concepts and designs, the humble gamer is left sitting by the side of the road, watching advancements rocket past at breakneck speed.
How hard was it for you to justify the purchase of your 360 or PS3? Now, imagine for a moment that you take the cost of both of those, put them together and there you have a pricepoint for a reasonable gaming PC. If you want a fairly powerful one, add in a Wii and another 360. But the issue is that in commiting to that purchase, you are commiting yourself to something which is outdated the moment you buy it. In the graphics card and CPU stakes we're seeing generational upgrades every 12 months at most and multiple iterations and updates within that single generation.
Hence, every PC owner becomes a master procrastinator. They'll always upgrade when the next iteration hits the shelves. But the problem is, that by the time that new iteration arrives, the test benchmarks for the next one have already been released. And they're better.
For those of you without experience in this brutal climb up a greased ladder with missing rungs, imagine that you are looking forward to buying the PS3. But then, just days before the launch of the PS3, Sony announces the PS3.1 and says it will be here in three months and will be better in every goddamn way than what's just about to hit shelves now. And then of course, there's the leaks about the PS4 which will be out at the start of next year and will blow away even the PS3.8GTI-SS500 which will have been released by then.
That's the PC experience. So, you say to yourself: "why spend the money now, when I can save up a bit more and get the newest thing in a few months time, after all - I'm already well behind the curve, a few more months won't hurt." But as always, those few months pass and suddenly you delay again because a new CPU or MoBo or GFX card is due later.
It's like being on of those poor evil legionnaires from God of War trying to climb a ladder with Kratos ahead of you. Every time you start to catch up he grabs you by the scruff of your neck and slams you face first into the wall over and over and over until he tosses you, bleeding and broken down to the bottom, where you can start your climb all over again.
Now, this all sounds like a bit of a whinge. And it is, and it is not over yet. I have one major point left to get to.
Many (not all) PC developers are cash-strapped or lazy or both. They can't afford to spend time or effort, or worse can't be bothered optimising and tweaking, so they just release a product to market that will only run properly on the most monstrous of computers. Thankfully, most games worth playing on PC have had a lot of effort go into their optimisation. But the problem is that so many haven't. They get tested for 30 seconds on an Alienware-type beast provided by some company in order to get a 10 second splash screen at the start of the game. And the developers and publishers, based on the fact it works on an dual CPU octo-core, quad SLI system with more gigabytes of DDR3 RAM than most people have in HDD space then it's deemed to "be in releasable condition" and off to the printers it goes.
Then, of course, the game eventually gets about a 5000:1 ratio of pirated to legitimate copies, because no one who owns a PC that can run it actually has any money to buy games with following their constant upgrades and a power bill which rivals a partical accelerator's because their PC draws enough juice to brown out several city blocks. Anyone who you play with online is going to be cheating in some way, due to the innumerable hacking and "adjustment" options open to them. And then, just when you think that you are getting somewhere in the game a patch will be released, which once installed will remove all your savegames and if you are really lucky, format your HDD.
Now, with all of this in mind, most people would ask: "why bother with the PC?"
And I return to my original point. Because it is the best gaming platform that you can get. And despite all the downsides, the gaming experience always wins out.
P.S. And also because the majority of PC gamers realise that just because a game has voice chat, screeching homophobic, racist insults in their best pre-pubescent tones is not what they should do with it.
P.P.S. As for that bit about DMoMM shorting out my PC and breaking circuits in my house. It's 100% true. It has done it 3 times now. After testing several other Source Engine games and mods as well as many other games and programs, I can confirm that it is indeed that game which is causing the problem.
But for all this, there is a huge disadvantage to the PC. It is probably the single most fractured market in the world. People worry about some XBox360s lacking a HDD, or certain PS3s not having backwards compatibility, this is nothing compared to the incomprehensibly large number of potential configurations that exist for PCs in the world. And developer's must try to ensure that their games work on a large a cross section of these as possible. Within reason of course.
There's no point in getting Bioware to ensure that Mass Effect for PC has Windows ME support. No point in having Introversion spend some of their precious time trying to sort out compatibility issues with an OEM, no name, no brand USB soundcard that perhaps 0.01% of the gaming community in Malawi have. There's no hope in Crytek even trying to get Crysis to run on an S3 Virge.
But for all the issues that developers face, there is one that is more important in that it is the bane of every single last PC gamer: "Can my box handle this?"
You go to the store and buy an console and you are guaranteed that any game which comes out for that console will run on it, even if the game is a total dog, at least you know that the dog will run. There are no such guarantees for a PC owner.
The game might have an issue with your drivers for any number of devices, with your OS or service pack level, with a particular piece of hardware or another piece of software. But the issue for many games (myself included), which rises above all of these quibbles are the lies (minimum spec), damned lies (recommended spec) and statistics (both) which constitute the system requirements. Such bald-faced falsehoods if uttered in any civilised setting would usually result in some form of criminal charge, or at the very least a civil suit. But somehow, having a set of meaningless numbers and words hidden on the bottom of the box has more credibility than the developers and publishers simply admitting: "We have no goddamn idea what this will run on, although having a card which supports SM3.0 is essential. Until we patch it that is."
People wonder why piracy is such an enormous issue for the PC. In my humble opinion (humble, heh - this is on the Soapbox). It's because people are unwilling to drop money on a game which they have *zero* guarantee of working on their system. And should it not work? Well, lets just say that most game retailers have a chronic aversion to accepting returns on PC games. You can't trade them in. Or if you've purchased through an online store or digital distribution channel, then even the already slim chance of a return is pretty much gone.
And don't for a minute think that demos are an acceptable substitute. The number of demos which come out and bear no resemblance at all to the final product in terms of quality are legion. The greatest offender in my mind was Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. This had one of the most brightly polished demos I have ever played. It ran like a dream on my PC of the time and the gameplay was so smooth that a gecko wouldn't have been able to clamber up its perfectly shaped learning curve. Yet, the final product ran like an arthritic amputee sloth. It appears that they'd spent all their time and money on making a good demo and then failed to include any of the graphics optimisations or performance tweaks in the final product. Then, when they finally started patching it, I was one of the lucky ones for whom the patches managed to completely destroy the game, leaving me unable to even load the menu screen. Even following an upgrade Dark Messiah of Might and Magic continues to be the bane of my system - at least I can play it now, for a few short minutes, before my system inexplicably shorts itself out, not just rebooting, but turning itself off, along with the power to whatever section of my home it happens to be plugged in to. I'd be worried, except it is the only game that has ever done that, and to be quite fair, I wouldn't really expect anything less from it. Maybe after my next upgrade, it will be able to turn my monitor into bridge to the hell dimensions. Again, welcome to the wonderful world of the PC.
So lets move on and look at that great bugbear of PC gaming at the moment: Crysis. A game which at every level appears to be a system hog beyond reproach. The developers continually state that it isn't (and to be fair, they have proved this point), but people are unwilling to risk their hard-earned on something which they aren't sure will run on their PC. As demonstrated by the rampant piracy of this game versus its (to be honest) crap sales. Have no doubt that I will buy Crysis. But by the time I have a system that can do it justice it will be in the "EA budget" range.
And that's the big problem with Crysis - most gamers have a PC that can run it. But they don't want to "make do" with the low-end graphics options that they'd have to deal with. I have been looking at movies and screenshots of it at insane resolutions, and even played it for a few minutes on a system which I may be able to afford if I spent the better part of six months pay on it. So, suddenly playing a game that looks like 2004 due to my system being rubbish just wouldn't be the same. When the time comes, Crysis will take the place of Far Cry in my line-up of Far Cry, Doom 3, Lock On: Modern Air Combat and Half Life 2: The Lost Coast in the list of games that I keep on hand just to see how well my upgrades are treating me.
On another front in the constant battle between PC gamers and their systems, I'm struggling with Call of Duty 4 at the moment. Following Activision's outrageous pricing adjustments on Steam, I decided to purchase the box copy of the game (prior to discovering that those of us in Australia can still get it for the actual price via the WarCry digital store). However, my DVD drive fails to read the full disc. I can install the game by copying the game folder to my HDD, but a full install eludes me. And even with the folder copying - some files remain inaccessible. It's all enough to make me download an ISO just so I can install the damn thing properly. And yes, I exchanged the disc, just in case that was the issue. So, because of this issue with my DVD drive, I cannot complete the campaign, at least not until I upgrade.
And here is where the PC really falls down, upgrading. In the relentless arms race between NVIDIA and ATI, Intel and AMD and so many other groups all with their own concepts and designs, the humble gamer is left sitting by the side of the road, watching advancements rocket past at breakneck speed.
How hard was it for you to justify the purchase of your 360 or PS3? Now, imagine for a moment that you take the cost of both of those, put them together and there you have a pricepoint for a reasonable gaming PC. If you want a fairly powerful one, add in a Wii and another 360. But the issue is that in commiting to that purchase, you are commiting yourself to something which is outdated the moment you buy it. In the graphics card and CPU stakes we're seeing generational upgrades every 12 months at most and multiple iterations and updates within that single generation.
Hence, every PC owner becomes a master procrastinator. They'll always upgrade when the next iteration hits the shelves. But the problem is, that by the time that new iteration arrives, the test benchmarks for the next one have already been released. And they're better.
For those of you without experience in this brutal climb up a greased ladder with missing rungs, imagine that you are looking forward to buying the PS3. But then, just days before the launch of the PS3, Sony announces the PS3.1 and says it will be here in three months and will be better in every goddamn way than what's just about to hit shelves now. And then of course, there's the leaks about the PS4 which will be out at the start of next year and will blow away even the PS3.8GTI-SS500 which will have been released by then.
That's the PC experience. So, you say to yourself: "why spend the money now, when I can save up a bit more and get the newest thing in a few months time, after all - I'm already well behind the curve, a few more months won't hurt." But as always, those few months pass and suddenly you delay again because a new CPU or MoBo or GFX card is due later.
It's like being on of those poor evil legionnaires from God of War trying to climb a ladder with Kratos ahead of you. Every time you start to catch up he grabs you by the scruff of your neck and slams you face first into the wall over and over and over until he tosses you, bleeding and broken down to the bottom, where you can start your climb all over again.
Now, this all sounds like a bit of a whinge. And it is, and it is not over yet. I have one major point left to get to.
Many (not all) PC developers are cash-strapped or lazy or both. They can't afford to spend time or effort, or worse can't be bothered optimising and tweaking, so they just release a product to market that will only run properly on the most monstrous of computers. Thankfully, most games worth playing on PC have had a lot of effort go into their optimisation. But the problem is that so many haven't. They get tested for 30 seconds on an Alienware-type beast provided by some company in order to get a 10 second splash screen at the start of the game. And the developers and publishers, based on the fact it works on an dual CPU octo-core, quad SLI system with more gigabytes of DDR3 RAM than most people have in HDD space then it's deemed to "be in releasable condition" and off to the printers it goes.
Then, of course, the game eventually gets about a 5000:1 ratio of pirated to legitimate copies, because no one who owns a PC that can run it actually has any money to buy games with following their constant upgrades and a power bill which rivals a partical accelerator's because their PC draws enough juice to brown out several city blocks. Anyone who you play with online is going to be cheating in some way, due to the innumerable hacking and "adjustment" options open to them. And then, just when you think that you are getting somewhere in the game a patch will be released, which once installed will remove all your savegames and if you are really lucky, format your HDD.
Now, with all of this in mind, most people would ask: "why bother with the PC?"
And I return to my original point. Because it is the best gaming platform that you can get. And despite all the downsides, the gaming experience always wins out.
P.S. And also because the majority of PC gamers realise that just because a game has voice chat, screeching homophobic, racist insults in their best pre-pubescent tones is not what they should do with it.
P.P.S. As for that bit about DMoMM shorting out my PC and breaking circuits in my house. It's 100% true. It has done it 3 times now. After testing several other Source Engine games and mods as well as many other games and programs, I can confirm that it is indeed that game which is causing the problem.
Comments
Posted Feb 18, 2008 7:20 pm PT
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. The constant upgrading necessary to truly enjoy PC gaming coupled with the fact that most of my friends have a 360 with Live has kept me off of PC games almost entirely, with the exception being Guild Wars, which looks great even on my 7-year old system.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 7:39 pm PT
This is why I got out of PC gaming; the last major game I played was the original Unreal Tournament, which ran well on my machine of the time. It chugged when I set it to the highest resolutions and settings or used mods which were heavy on extra objects in the level, but generally it ran very well.
Nowadays I have a basic PC mainly used for surfing the net, and 360 and a Wii for my gaming needs. I think what you mention regarding developers needing to develop their game for a large chunk of the market might be why some games these days are console exclusive; they know the specs they have to build for, and don't have to worry about customisation for a large variety of possible performances.
Nowadays I have a basic PC mainly used for surfing the net, and 360 and a Wii for my gaming needs. I think what you mention regarding developers needing to develop their game for a large chunk of the market might be why some games these days are console exclusive; they know the specs they have to build for, and don't have to worry about customisation for a large variety of possible performances.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 7:41 pm PT
Thats one of the reasons I stick to the consoles, PC might be better, but for me its not worth it, it just costs way to much
Posted Feb 18, 2008 7:44 pm PT
Tell me something I don't know.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 7:48 pm PT
epic blog. the constant upgrading is why im not more into PC games. i would love to have a PC that could jus run Oblivion at high settings, im jus not willing to spend the money
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:01 pm PT
I do believe you are exaggerating the point, almost to the point of absurdity.
I have a 3-year-old PC that, by all accounts, shouldn't run half the games it does without serious chugging or lagging... yet it runs them flawlessly, at medium settings.
The reason? I'm perfectly willing to shut off absolutely useless features like real-time shadows, or turn down/turn off anti-aliasing, to enjoy the important part of the experience: game play. If you're playing a game because it looks "pretty," you're playing it for all the wrong reasons.
As to your shorting-out problem: it sounds like your power supply. I had similar issues with my old PC, and swapping out the power supply solved them.
I have a 3-year-old PC that, by all accounts, shouldn't run half the games it does without serious chugging or lagging... yet it runs them flawlessly, at medium settings.
The reason? I'm perfectly willing to shut off absolutely useless features like real-time shadows, or turn down/turn off anti-aliasing, to enjoy the important part of the experience: game play. If you're playing a game because it looks "pretty," you're playing it for all the wrong reasons.
As to your shorting-out problem: it sounds like your power supply. I had similar issues with my old PC, and swapping out the power supply solved them.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:06 pm PT
When did I write that article? Oh, wasn't me. Hell! Everything you said must be in the nightmares of every PC user! We all share the same nightmares!
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:10 pm PT
Great read. Though, all of your points are valid, if you saw my current "gaming rig", you'd cringe and curl up into the fetal position sucking your thumb. Hence, my desire to buy a new top-o-the-line rig in the coming months. With XP Pro(damn Vista).
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:14 pm PT
Good article.
The constant upgrades and cost are one of the reasons why I decided to mostly stick with consoles(even though my 360 isn't connected to Live). At this point the only games that I'd be willing to put the effort into researching new hardware/new PC would be Half-Life 3 or Tribes 3(Which will probably never happen due to Tribes Vengeance).
The constant upgrades and cost are one of the reasons why I decided to mostly stick with consoles(even though my 360 isn't connected to Live). At this point the only games that I'd be willing to put the effort into researching new hardware/new PC would be Half-Life 3 or Tribes 3(Which will probably never happen due to Tribes Vengeance).
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:16 pm PT
You make a great point.
PC gaming is way to expensive now a days. Thats why people just stick to the 360 or PS3. Its really what you are hoping for in your game with the decision you make. PC gaming isn't dead, it's just not at it's best right now.
PC gaming is way to expensive now a days. Thats why people just stick to the 360 or PS3. Its really what you are hoping for in your game with the decision you make. PC gaming isn't dead, it's just not at it's best right now.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:30 pm PT
Like rogue-ninja14 said, I like just paying one price and being able to run any game for that system on my 360 and not have to continually upgrade to be able to play the newest game. We do have to upgrade, in that we buy a new system, but that only happens every 5-10 years(depending on the maker of the console), so it is not a big deal for us.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:44 pm PT
I'm so glad my dad bought me a monstrous computer for graduation two years ago. Mouse and keyboard is just so much better than an old clunky controller.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:46 pm PT
quick summary, Dark Messiah = death. But all in seriousness. I totally agree. I stopped looking or caring about PC games after Doom 3 and WoW and Kotor. Most of the games i want come on my PS3 anyways. Except for Mass Effect of course, which i might actually upgrade for...which will cost a crap load of money, cause im still running on 4 year old video card, 30gb HDD and a gig of ram
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:46 pm PT
I actually just got done with a major overhaul of my system and I don't regret a thing. I was running an AGP graphics card from 3 years ago and Crysis and UT3 were the first games to break it. Now Crysis looks awesome and UT3 plays amazing. But like someone above me stated, you just have to be willing to turn off useless stuff. To this day, I have never ran a game with AA or AF above the lowest setting. Just not really needed.
You just have to be willing to compromise.
You just have to be willing to compromise.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:47 pm PT
entertaining read, nicely written
its so hard to spend money when a series of clicks could get the same result...
its so hard to spend money when a series of clicks could get the same result...
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:51 pm PT
Great read, pretty much I agree with everything. My PC might cost 4 times more than my 360, but I probably play it and enjoy it 10 times more. I just can't stand playing RTS or FPS games on a console nowadays. I just wish that the PC industry would try to work with me once in a while since I'm buying all their crap and it's still a pain in the ass.
I think that (in reference to the part of system requirements and graphics) the PC industry is sort of seeing a switch because of this problem. Looking at games like Orange Box, CoD4 and World in Conflict, they all look great, but run very well on older systems in exchange for not being "OMFG GFX!" when compared to Crysis. I think looking at the sells shows that this switch pretty much is working (NOTE: I do not actually know the sells of Orange Box OR CoD4 PC). The graphical standard on PC games is not moving as fast nowadays, and it's sort of hit a spot where it doesn't need to be constantly improving to still look good and play great. Looking for 2008, the 2 biggest PC games; StarCraft 2 and Spore (at least I can't think of any bigger PC games than those), both seem to be going this route as well.
I think that (in reference to the part of system requirements and graphics) the PC industry is sort of seeing a switch because of this problem. Looking at games like Orange Box, CoD4 and World in Conflict, they all look great, but run very well on older systems in exchange for not being "OMFG GFX!" when compared to Crysis. I think looking at the sells shows that this switch pretty much is working (NOTE: I do not actually know the sells of Orange Box OR CoD4 PC). The graphical standard on PC games is not moving as fast nowadays, and it's sort of hit a spot where it doesn't need to be constantly improving to still look good and play great. Looking for 2008, the 2 biggest PC games; StarCraft 2 and Spore (at least I can't think of any bigger PC games than those), both seem to be going this route as well.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:57 pm PT
My current rig, just in case anyone is interested is this:
P4-2.8C
2gb DDR RAM
7600GT 512mb (the most recent upgrade)
all sitting on an ASUS P4P800 MoBo (I will NEVER again buy an ASUS MoBo).
By no means a beast, but it gets by pretty well. But I do miss being able to get the best out of games. And an upgrade now means a complete system rebuild due to the move to PCI-E.
P4-2.8C
2gb DDR RAM
7600GT 512mb (the most recent upgrade)
all sitting on an ASUS P4P800 MoBo (I will NEVER again buy an ASUS MoBo).
By no means a beast, but it gets by pretty well. But I do miss being able to get the best out of games. And an upgrade now means a complete system rebuild due to the move to PCI-E.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 8:59 pm PT
Crysis hit the million sales mark awhile ago. That is by no means "crap sales".
Posted Feb 18, 2008 9:31 pm PT
Personally, I agree with OrkHammer. You are exaggerating a tad. However, you do have points.
If you must play the games on the absolute highest settings then you will find the constant need to upgrade annoying. My graphics card is pretty jaded by modern standards. It is an Nvidia 7600GS. It gets the job done for one reason: I'm willing to shut down the fancy features like ultra mega realistic shadows or texture details so real you can see the hair on someone's mole. I'm willing to sacrifice pretty graphics for higher framerates. I want to upgrade my PC, but I never know what to get. So I agree with your point about upgrading. There is so much crap on the market, and so many upcoming parts that bend over the models before it that it can be hard deciding what to actually buy.
I love my consoles, but even with the constant unknowns surrounding PC gaming I still love it. I'll take my keyboard and slick G5 mouse for shooting and RTSing over a controller any day. I love how on the PC, if I want a certain action mapped to a certain key I have the option of doing it, unlike consoles. I love having all my life-saving hotkeys for RTS games. So you are right, PC gamers stay with PCs and endure the pains and cost of upgrading because it offers an experience that a console can't bring you.
If you must play the games on the absolute highest settings then you will find the constant need to upgrade annoying. My graphics card is pretty jaded by modern standards. It is an Nvidia 7600GS. It gets the job done for one reason: I'm willing to shut down the fancy features like ultra mega realistic shadows or texture details so real you can see the hair on someone's mole. I'm willing to sacrifice pretty graphics for higher framerates. I want to upgrade my PC, but I never know what to get. So I agree with your point about upgrading. There is so much crap on the market, and so many upcoming parts that bend over the models before it that it can be hard deciding what to actually buy.
I love my consoles, but even with the constant unknowns surrounding PC gaming I still love it. I'll take my keyboard and slick G5 mouse for shooting and RTSing over a controller any day. I love how on the PC, if I want a certain action mapped to a certain key I have the option of doing it, unlike consoles. I love having all my life-saving hotkeys for RTS games. So you are right, PC gamers stay with PCs and endure the pains and cost of upgrading because it offers an experience that a console can't bring you.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 9:33 pm PT
very true, and made a lol a couple of times.
I just ordered my first PC last week (it hasn't arrived yet), and I know that I will have to just sit tight, and watch parts get released that are many times better than the ones I have.
O well though, as you said, PC is the best, and I am hoping to get the most out of my recently purchased WiC, Crysis, CoD 4, and Lost Planet.
PS. I played the Dark Messiah demo a couple of weeks ago off Steam and was thinking of buying it. Now I am having second thoughts
I just ordered my first PC last week (it hasn't arrived yet), and I know that I will have to just sit tight, and watch parts get released that are many times better than the ones I have.
O well though, as you said, PC is the best, and I am hoping to get the most out of my recently purchased WiC, Crysis, CoD 4, and Lost Planet.
PS. I played the Dark Messiah demo a couple of weeks ago off Steam and was thinking of buying it. Now I am having second thoughts
Posted Feb 18, 2008 9:34 pm PT
nice post.. very interesting.. actually points out my gripes and likes about pc gaming
Posted Feb 18, 2008 9:36 pm PT
Nice rant, as a pc gamer I feel you pain brother. Did my last upgrade in November, but with some games it just won't cut it. So I'm probably going to do an other this summer, when the next gen of graphic cards come out.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 9:37 pm PT
well thats funny.
I buy a PC every second year and I never have any problems whatsoever when it comes to run any game at all.
PC's have been cheap the last 5-6 years so I dont worry that much about it. Ofcourse, its a pity games cost about a third the price of a graphics card.. 3 games = 1 8800GT card.. if the cut the game prices in half, I would actually buy more games.. I already buy all the good games, but gaming almost feels dead to me nowadays.
Its a pity =(
I buy a PC every second year and I never have any problems whatsoever when it comes to run any game at all.
PC's have been cheap the last 5-6 years so I dont worry that much about it. Ofcourse, its a pity games cost about a third the price of a graphics card.. 3 games = 1 8800GT card.. if the cut the game prices in half, I would actually buy more games.. I already buy all the good games, but gaming almost feels dead to me nowadays.
Its a pity =(
Posted Feb 18, 2008 11:37 pm PT
in response to some of the comments about compromising on graphics, thing with a console is, you don't have to. i really miss giving a crap about my pc, because it truly is the mother of systems, and the feeling you have after fully upgrading to a soon to be out of date monster...is indescribable, but with every game i even remotely care about being released on consoles as well, the choice is obvious, even if it is the greater of two evils
what really bums me out, is that the only games that have attracted me back to my pc, was half life 2, followed by wow, leading to spore, and im not seeing much intrigue beyond that horizon
what really bums me out, is that the only games that have attracted me back to my pc, was half life 2, followed by wow, leading to spore, and im not seeing much intrigue beyond that horizon
Posted Feb 18, 2008 11:41 pm PT
I would say that at very least, the PS3 if not the Xbox 360 is like a PC with standardised parts. Say, like a Mac :p You can seven use a mouse and keyboard and print to a printer. Multiplayer is coming along too. In the future I see the lines between consoles and PCs blurring even further.
Posted Feb 18, 2008 11:47 pm PT
I just want to point out that one of the principle reasons PC gaming excels over console gaming is the mod community. From WC3 to Oblivion, being able to access that kind of unrestricted content adds so much value to every dollar you spend. I don't engage in the console wars, and tend to eventually get every console, and I can say that when I look back, PC gaming has always been the generally more solid experience. Inconveniences are no reason to abandon the platform.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 1:32 am PT
Ah but what a sweet delicate Rose it is.
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I would say that at very least, the PS3 if not the Xbox 360 is like a PC with standardised parts. Say, like a Mac :p You can seven use a mouse and keyboard and print to a printer. Multiplayer is coming along too. In the future I see the lines between consoles and PCs blurring even further.
They both work in in exactly the same way a PC does and like you say that will only continue, however, I cannot see modular upgrades on consoles happening any time soon. It may well happen in the future, part of the reason why is DC and what can be done to game code. The appeal of consoles will always be due hugely to their static nature, in stark contrast to the PC, this is a double edge sword for consoles. PC GPU tech is in a current rich vein of improvement and as a result the latest games show the pinnacle of technology and what is possible. The truth is the PS3 and 360 are actually way behind already, cutting edge PC games are being reduced so the engines can be replicable on the consoles, FarCry2 and Crysis being two prime examples. There is no way you can create the Dunia Engine or CryEngine2 on consoles without losing the gloss that makes them really special. Make of that what you will. Personally I indulge in both PC and consoles, gaming is gaming, I do not draw these lines. The PC Vs console argument is a nonsensical one because they both fulfill different areas of the market and fufil different expectations. PC gamers enjoy the very things you are criticisng, we like the battles between the GPU companies, we like the tweaking and everything else that comes with being a PC gamer.
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I would say that at very least, the PS3 if not the Xbox 360 is like a PC with standardised parts. Say, like a Mac :p You can seven use a mouse and keyboard and print to a printer. Multiplayer is coming along too. In the future I see the lines between consoles and PCs blurring even further.
They both work in in exactly the same way a PC does and like you say that will only continue, however, I cannot see modular upgrades on consoles happening any time soon. It may well happen in the future, part of the reason why is DC and what can be done to game code. The appeal of consoles will always be due hugely to their static nature, in stark contrast to the PC, this is a double edge sword for consoles. PC GPU tech is in a current rich vein of improvement and as a result the latest games show the pinnacle of technology and what is possible. The truth is the PS3 and 360 are actually way behind already, cutting edge PC games are being reduced so the engines can be replicable on the consoles, FarCry2 and Crysis being two prime examples. There is no way you can create the Dunia Engine or CryEngine2 on consoles without losing the gloss that makes them really special. Make of that what you will. Personally I indulge in both PC and consoles, gaming is gaming, I do not draw these lines. The PC Vs console argument is a nonsensical one because they both fulfill different areas of the market and fufil different expectations. PC gamers enjoy the very things you are criticisng, we like the battles between the GPU companies, we like the tweaking and everything else that comes with being a PC gamer.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 1:48 am PT
My plan became waiting a year or two to by a brand new up to date PC and just play those games i couldnt play before and wait for another 2 years to play te next then old generation of games. It might not be ideal but for me not playing a game on the best settings is missing the intended experience. I might not be able to play the latest games but at least i'll still be able to pay the rent
ps: great God of War reference
ps: great God of War reference
Posted Feb 19, 2008 2:17 am PT
great post. You pretty much have it in a nutshell.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 2:58 am PT
Very interesting blog man. I fully agree with you, yesterday I tried to install black and white but it could not fully install. And thats why I rather bother with consoles 1. most of my mates would have the same console as me, there is a fat chance that they would bother to upgrade their pcs regularly. 2. I dont mind paying a LOT less than a monster pc and almost getting the same experience. And lastly to me its much more simple just using consoles, I cant always remember my specifications when I go to buy a pc game. @linkyshinks: The only pc gamers that 'enjoy' tweaking and choosing gpu companies are the ones with the enough money to do it and are the pc gamers which hardly have a life and stay inside most of the time aweing 24/7 at games like crysis( not that i hate it or anything). No offense man im generalising.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 3:05 am PT
intresting points. and yeah if pc didnt have compatbility issues it would be the ultimate platform.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 3:08 am PT
Good read, although a bit of a rant 
I'm with you OrkHammer007. My PC is pushing 4 years old and it runs Crysis on medium settings, currently playing EVE Trinity on Max, and CoD 4 is nearly maxed out too. (and btw, i thought Crysis blew)
People are so focused on Systems these days they're starting to lose focus on the reason we want them in the first place, the GAMES.
I only buy games for their multiplayer, everything else i'm sorry to say, i download. So i agree with you that we shouldn't be paying money for broken or unfinished product.
As far as upgrading goes, you can buy the SECOND best (i.e.) graphics card for alot cheaper with almost identical results. Don't get suckered in to buying the top end GFX card just to see the hair in some dudes nostril. What's the point? When do you EVER see someones nostril hair? Games are starting to fall into the Hyper Realism category, which looks totally artificial and...well...rubbish.
Bottom line, graphics should be lower on the priority list, they look too fake these days, gameplay is where it's at. Look at WoW, graphically stunning? not really, good gameplay? ... 10 million people can't be wrong. Thats double the population of Scotland, where i'm from.
Bottom line? I wouldn't date Jessica Alba if she bored me to tears, nuff said.
Edit: To add to my point about the upgrading thing, new consoles come out every few years anyway, bet the "slimline PS3" will be out soon shortly followed byt the PS4, then the Xbox1080, you ARE constantly upgrading, just SLIGHTLY less frequently than the PC gamers who aint graphics junkies.
I'm with you OrkHammer007. My PC is pushing 4 years old and it runs Crysis on medium settings, currently playing EVE Trinity on Max, and CoD 4 is nearly maxed out too. (and btw, i thought Crysis blew)
People are so focused on Systems these days they're starting to lose focus on the reason we want them in the first place, the GAMES.
I only buy games for their multiplayer, everything else i'm sorry to say, i download. So i agree with you that we shouldn't be paying money for broken or unfinished product.
As far as upgrading goes, you can buy the SECOND best (i.e.) graphics card for alot cheaper with almost identical results. Don't get suckered in to buying the top end GFX card just to see the hair in some dudes nostril. What's the point? When do you EVER see someones nostril hair? Games are starting to fall into the Hyper Realism category, which looks totally artificial and...well...rubbish.
Bottom line, graphics should be lower on the priority list, they look too fake these days, gameplay is where it's at. Look at WoW, graphically stunning? not really, good gameplay? ... 10 million people can't be wrong. Thats double the population of Scotland, where i'm from.
Bottom line? I wouldn't date Jessica Alba if she bored me to tears, nuff said.
Edit: To add to my point about the upgrading thing, new consoles come out every few years anyway, bet the "slimline PS3" will be out soon shortly followed byt the PS4, then the Xbox1080, you ARE constantly upgrading, just SLIGHTLY less frequently than the PC gamers who aint graphics junkies.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 4:55 am PT
the pc have a better multiplayer,controller,configuration and others thing
but the ps3 have the best games this I dont have doubts
but the ps3 have the best games this I dont have doubts
Posted Feb 19, 2008 6:19 am PT
Amen to that brother. I remember my first PC game experience. I remember reading the minimum system requirements and thinking, "yeah, my computer can handle that". I remember the major let down when I tried to play the game. The box should have stated -minimum system requirements if you want the game to look and run like crap-. I remember spending days to get the game to work using patches and work arounds instead of actually playing the game or any game for that matter. I remember spending enough money to upgrade that I could have used to buy two leading consoles of that day and a couple of games. I remember after the upgrades the game running much better....but still not quite right. I remember seeing games come out six months later that had recommended system requirements that my "newly" upgraded PC no longer met. I remember how stupid and mad I felt. Since then I have played two other PC games(one given to me -Halo-, the other was like 20 bucks -Never winter nights diamond-). I did need to upgrade my video card. 100 bucks on ebay at the time for a Geforce 5950 FX. The games run and play "good enough", still had to put in some time tweak them though. I know there are people who swear by PC gaming, and if one had the time and the money and patience, then I say have at it. As for me.......I REMEMBER to go buy the latest console with some games. So I can go home pop the disc in and FORGET about everything else.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 6:46 am PT
I think in some twisted way a lot of PC users have a bit of a masochistic streak and love the challenge of trying to get things to work on their PC. Personally, I just want to plug an play and even the thought of having to tinker about with settings that I don't really understand makes my fists clench in frustration. Enjoy!
Posted Feb 19, 2008 6:52 am PT
I'd like to hear the original writer's opinion on why console piracy is so big. Really, if the main reason why PC gamers pirate is the whole system requirement explination that you detail in your post, then why is it that console piracy is just as big, if not bigger? Nintendo's own press release quotes their 2007 losses at near 1 billion dollars. Are they people who were not sure if Mario Galaxy would run on their wii? And as for your comment on Crysis sales numbers, you do realize that it has had slow, but steady sales since it's release last year, right? You do realize it has sold over one million units to date, right? You do realize that it continues to sell at the same pace, right?
Posted Feb 19, 2008 7:59 am PT
I have a 360 as well as my new PC, and as much as I like my 360, the PC is still king at my house. Better graphics, more control, bigger hard drives, better framerates, and saved games everywhere. Uniformity isn't all it's cracked up to be. And no analog is ever going to be as precise--or intuitive--as a mouse. All we can do is upgrade when we can to stay reasonably in sync with technology, but I'm talking in years, not months or iterations! I keep mine up with actual gameplay, not graphics. Pretty is nice to have, but if a game is gorgeous and choppy, what's the point? I just built a new system after limping along for 3 years with a Dell. It'll be three more years before I bother to overhaul again. Now I can play current games well, and the graphics are good enough to look at, so I'm fine. I'm not a hardcore purist, I just want to play!
Posted Feb 19, 2008 8:28 am PT
With all the problems PC gaming has you sure don't make it sound like the best.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 8:50 am PT
I agree. My rig is similar to yours. When I got it, PCI-E was just coming out and I didn't realize the difference so now I have an x800xt agp. I've bought 2 new graphics cards, more ram, a better monitor etc..... Probably spent well over 2g's for my computer all together and now it might be worth $400
Posted Feb 19, 2008 8:52 am PT
I totally agree with your article. I was an avid PC gamer until I grew up and responsibilities were thrust upon me. Now i cant afford the $$$$ needed to fully enjoy PC games in all their glory because all that money can be better spent elsewhere. I have had a SNES, PSOne, PS2 and a XBOX 360 over the years along with a usually powerful PC . I currently own a PSP and a PS3 and and knowing that I will be able to play every new game that is released with out the need for an upgrade is a plus for me. I miss my mouse and keyboard when playing FPS sometimes but I am used to the analog controls now and I must say that is a small price to pay.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 9:10 am PT
The console developers have you fooled. You forgot that upgrading a PC is modular, whereas upgrading your console means buying new everything. You also failed to see how PC games are 20% cheaper, especially through digital distribution. All of that aside, a console is simply a dumbed-down PC to begin with. Most games you find on PC are better looking, and have better control and user interface. --
I still chuckle at the blatant console fanboys getting so upset at PCs. They have nothing better to do than justify how PC gaming is dying, when clearly it is leading the innovation in today's games.
I still chuckle at the blatant console fanboys getting so upset at PCs. They have nothing better to do than justify how PC gaming is dying, when clearly it is leading the innovation in today's games.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 9:10 am PT
I'm just old fashioned, I guess. I been around computers ever seen I was 7, and that was 12 years ago. I know that the cost doesn't out weight the benefits, but the fact that computers have so many different mods and customization factors is just irresistible. I have no problems with the 360 or the PS3 and I think that both are great gaming machines, but the computer will always be the top choose for me and thousands of other hardcore PC gamers just like me.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 10:13 am PT
Definitely true, the constant spending to upgrade and overhaul my system was indeed a big hit compared to now with a 360, buying my games once prices range within the boundaries of what I deem decent. I probably spend about the same amount of money I used to on my computer... although now most of the money is spent on games instead of hardware.
As a reader wrote in a previous comment, for sure, an average family PC which was bought within the last year (prices from 700 to 1200), will fit to play games at medium settings, standard 1024X768 res with AA off and Anisotropic off too. But we're in 2008 and it's nice to see where technology is in this day and age, not what it looked like five years ago. I know that is a short period of time, but that's technology these days... and the writer really well summed the ''Need for speed'' most PC gamers experiment when they see the next CPU upgrades and GFX card to hit the market... and that is if they don't care about 7.1 sound sound system. I think ATM the best way to be a content PC Gamer, is to stop going to sites like Tom's Hardware which nearly only promotes top of the line gear, rarely posting about mid-to-low priced hardware with decent capacities. You gotta focus on playing with the system you have, don't move too quickly to the *cough* golden Vista *cough*. Just be content with what you have until you hit a wall... six months after upgrading
Seriously there's no end to it. So hum, yeah, good article, although a bit extreme on a couple of points... such as the minimum specs being lies... minimum are usually right... it's the recommended that often are way below what is required to run the game smoothly at decent configuration.
As a reader wrote in a previous comment, for sure, an average family PC which was bought within the last year (prices from 700 to 1200), will fit to play games at medium settings, standard 1024X768 res with AA off and Anisotropic off too. But we're in 2008 and it's nice to see where technology is in this day and age, not what it looked like five years ago. I know that is a short period of time, but that's technology these days... and the writer really well summed the ''Need for speed'' most PC gamers experiment when they see the next CPU upgrades and GFX card to hit the market... and that is if they don't care about 7.1 sound sound system. I think ATM the best way to be a content PC Gamer, is to stop going to sites like Tom's Hardware which nearly only promotes top of the line gear, rarely posting about mid-to-low priced hardware with decent capacities. You gotta focus on playing with the system you have, don't move too quickly to the *cough* golden Vista *cough*. Just be content with what you have until you hit a wall... six months after upgrading
Seriously there's no end to it. So hum, yeah, good article, although a bit extreme on a couple of points... such as the minimum specs being lies... minimum are usually right... it's the recommended that often are way below what is required to run the game smoothly at decent configuration.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 10:20 am PT
First things first, I am not a Fanboy - I own a Wii, a PC, and would love a PS3 if I could afford it.
I think you've over-exaggerated the issue of upgrading PCs. Its not necessary to have a £1500 gaming rig to play and enjoy a PC game. Granted a console has the 'Plug and Play' ease of use, but it doesn't take much know-how to keep PC driver's up to date and download game patches. I easily get by spending £300 on my PC every couple of years - it is more expensive, but that should be expected if you want the games to look better.
As for your Dark Messiah problems, I'm surprised a 'PC Aficionado' is incapable of getting something to run properly. Dark Messiah works absolutely fine on my PC, so I suggest un-installing all the crap you've got clogging the hard drive and update the game and your OS.
Simply put, If you want your PC to play everything on full settings, you should expect to pay more, and most importantly understand how the thing actually works. If you are incapable of doing that, you're wasting your money. Buy a PS3.
I think you've over-exaggerated the issue of upgrading PCs. Its not necessary to have a £1500 gaming rig to play and enjoy a PC game. Granted a console has the 'Plug and Play' ease of use, but it doesn't take much know-how to keep PC driver's up to date and download game patches. I easily get by spending £300 on my PC every couple of years - it is more expensive, but that should be expected if you want the games to look better.
As for your Dark Messiah problems, I'm surprised a 'PC Aficionado' is incapable of getting something to run properly. Dark Messiah works absolutely fine on my PC, so I suggest un-installing all the crap you've got clogging the hard drive and update the game and your OS.
Simply put, If you want your PC to play everything on full settings, you should expect to pay more, and most importantly understand how the thing actually works. If you are incapable of doing that, you're wasting your money. Buy a PS3.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 10:22 am PT
To be fair, the PC does have a lot more benefits, such as cheaper games and you can upgrade your PC with a processor and video card that makes it better than current consoles for around the same price. The only real thing that makes a PC more expensive is having the stuff that can be reused in the next generation, such as hard drive, mobo (depends), ram etc..
Posted Feb 19, 2008 10:27 am PT
100% Epic here. And all true. Look TC, the type of uber-nerd you'll offend with this is the same type of guy that freaks out about losing 3 frames when playing Crysis on Vista. Basically, put, ther're not even real people since theyre such sociopaths, so dont bother with them flaming you. If they didnt replace a real woman with their PC, they wouldnt be offended. Anyway, well put. To further support your point, here's an equation:
Regarding Oblivion running 100% - to get a PC to play Oblivion at the same performance, is A) nearly impossible since on almost ANY PC it will chug or hitch at least slightly while spinning around - not on 360. The money needed to matc performance is outrageous compared to the things you gain with PC such as mods. Its not worth it. And Crysis isnt even a good game, its just a "look what we can do" to console gamers. Too bad it sucks. PC's and PC games need to come packed with Ibuprofen because the only thing impending is a headache.
Regarding Oblivion running 100% - to get a PC to play Oblivion at the same performance, is A) nearly impossible since on almost ANY PC it will chug or hitch at least slightly while spinning around - not on 360. The money needed to matc performance is outrageous compared to the things you gain with PC such as mods. Its not worth it. And Crysis isnt even a good game, its just a "look what we can do" to console gamers. Too bad it sucks. PC's and PC games need to come packed with Ibuprofen because the only thing impending is a headache.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 12:38 pm PT
I feel your pain dude. I have spent alot of money on my PC over the years. I had to learn to compromise when it comes to upgrading because no matter how hard you try you can never be ahead of the curve.
And I do agree with you that PC gaming is the best gaming out there. I do have a 360, but I mainly use it just to play Rock Band with my friends or a few rounds of Halo 3. Most of my gaming time goes towards my PC usually playing COD4 or Supreme Commander.
My Rig in case your interested:
Mobo: Asus P5NSLI
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 1.86GHz
RAM: 2 GBs Crucial Ballistix (512MB x 4)
Video: EVGA e-GeForce 8800GT 512MB
HDD: 120GB Seagate SATA 3.0GB/s
And yes typical of any PC gamer, I am planning on upgrading soon.
And I do agree with you that PC gaming is the best gaming out there. I do have a 360, but I mainly use it just to play Rock Band with my friends or a few rounds of Halo 3. Most of my gaming time goes towards my PC usually playing COD4 or Supreme Commander.
My Rig in case your interested:
Mobo: Asus P5NSLI
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 1.86GHz
RAM: 2 GBs Crucial Ballistix (512MB x 4)
Video: EVGA e-GeForce 8800GT 512MB
HDD: 120GB Seagate SATA 3.0GB/s
And yes typical of any PC gamer, I am planning on upgrading soon.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 1:32 pm PT
My intent is to upgrade at around tax return time this year.
Probably get a cheap Quad core, a good mobo (will never, ever skimp on that again) and some SLI'd 8800s, unless the NVIDIA 9xxx series are a decent price by then.
And then I'll play Crysis, WiC, The Witcher and many other PC games that I've been waiting for.
That's the thing - I know that it's not a huge expense, but it's large enough to make me hold off for a while.
Probably get a cheap Quad core, a good mobo (will never, ever skimp on that again) and some SLI'd 8800s, unless the NVIDIA 9xxx series are a decent price by then.
And then I'll play Crysis, WiC, The Witcher and many other PC games that I've been waiting for.
That's the thing - I know that it's not a huge expense, but it's large enough to make me hold off for a while.
Posted Feb 19, 2008 1:47 pm PT
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I personally only played sports games on the computer when I was younger, but those are games better suited for groups and you just can't have a great time playing a sports game through LAN or the 'net.