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Thursday, Jan 8, 2009

WHY ATHEISM IS NOT NECESSARILY A SOLUTION

"THERE'S PROBABLY NO GOD. SO STOP WORRYING AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE." If you have been reading the papers recently or if you have been to London of late, you would have probably noticed this. This is the newest avatar of the atheist campaign that is gaining popularity globally. The fact that the campaign was able to raise £140,000, £135,000 more than what its founders originally intended, while human welfare organisations are struggling for funds, speaks for itself.

Some of the recent events that have taken place in the name of religion and God are certainly very disturbing and undermine the very aim of the faith. These events lend credit to the claim that the path of religion leads to destruction of self and others around, as some have come to say.

This brings us to the big question. Is atheism the solution? Will atheism show us the way to end this madness? Perhaps not. Instead of trying to prove why religion is the best, I'll demonstrate why atheism is not exactly the best solution.

Religion has been the founding stone of civilization. It set the basis on which man could congregate and build empires that did not fall apart at the touch of the hat. In fact, religion was initially no more than a set of beliefs and rules strung together, but it kept communities from disintegrating, providing a platform to settle internal disputes and maintain order in the community. Ancient Egypt or Rome can be cited as good illustrations to the role that religion played in shaping them as two of the most powerful civilizations of the ancient world. In fact every civilization worth its annals in history had its strong religious background that made it what it was.

Historically religion has been cornerstone of civilization, but one might ask if it holds relevance in the modern world. It certainly does. We might have come a long way from hunting and foraging for food but Man's gut instincts remain the same and it takes little for him to return to his ancient unsavory ways. Don't we have more lot more gun totting tots? Where's the world going? As the world embraces atheism more, it has also been taking a step back in terms of morals. Of course, it might be purely co-incidental. But then again it may not.

The main reason that we have been able to come so far through all the hard times is this religion. Think of a world where religion as a concept did not exist. At least in the case of the old world anarchy would have been the ruler and mankind would have destroyed itself a hundred times over by now.

Proponents of atheism argue that religion has been and still is the root cause of many a bloody conflict. Think Crusades, they say. Think about the recent spate of terror attacks, they say. However, religion in itself is rarely the cause for violence. The politics behind it is the culprit. People in power abuse their ability to reach out to the masses, use religion as a tool and bend the public to do their bidding, all because of selfish gains or to enforce their idea of a perfect world.

The Babri Masjid problem, in spite of it having religious roots, did not flare up because of the religion itself. Some people high up in the political and religious order perhaps decided that it was time garner some publicity or perhaps they simply did not like the way things were now. There was a lot of political lobbying on either camp on the issue and it ended with one of the bloodiest religious riots in the country in recent times.

Now the next question will be – If not for religion, then these so called selfish people in authority would not have been able to charm the people to do their dirty work, will they? If religion did not exist, then there will surely be something else to fight about – competition to be the best, clash of ideologies that have nothing religious about them, dispute of materialistic possession, etc. Bickering and quarrelling is in our genes. There will always be something to politicize and ultimately result in strife. Even trivial things as an untimely sneeze would be enough to cause uproar.

All major religions in the world are built around a code of ethics, which is aimed at showing the individual how to live in harmony with the society while working for the betterment of self and the society as a whole. Each religion openly condemns acts of mal-intent bound to cause harm to fellow human beings even though the measures used to curb those acts and enforce its rules differ.

Even the laws of today's political administration which we are obliged to follow have been adopted from religious code and adapted to suit specific demography oriented needs. However, at a personal level of the individual the reach of religion is more pronounced than the law. 'Law is blind', it is said and in this case it is certainly true. Law cannot see the individual needs and cater to it, because that would probably be seen as a breach of its clause of impartiality and equality. Contrarily, religion is flexible and can mutate suitably to address to individual whims while at the same time conserving the essence of its faith. In this respect religion transcends law in maintaining public order. No wonder religious ideals have spread more successfully than has any form of government.

'Crime cannot be controlled unless the criminal decides to forego it', another popular saying. This obviously shows that the change must be effected from within the person and no matter how it is framed, law has been and will always be seen by the general public as an external agent meant to govern it. While the law reaches out to the analytical mind, religion has the power to reach the person's emotional centre. Even the mighty law resorts to religion to correct its transgressors.

What would happen if the world shuns religion? Each person would probably do as he sees fit, oblivious to its consequences, because he does not have the inner 'conscience', usually built in the course of faith, to tell him what is right and wrong. Baser instincts would take over in the absence of a self-imposed abstinence from things considered wrong. Once again chaos would be the order of the day. Of course, I might be wrong, but then there is a good chance that this might happen. If that happens we might end up in a worse position than we are today.

It is an acceptable fact that in spite of its shortcomings of some of its laws, religion is a guiding light to a person's perspective of good and bad, something which will not develop on its own. It must be taught, instilled in the mind of the individual at a younger age, and practically religion has been and still is one of the best teachers.

Atheists might say that 'atheism' is simply the non-belief in the existence of God, and not discarding of the self-imposed rule. For all practical considerations, when there is no form of higher authority to fear or feel that you are obliged to answer, the individual will be lax in following those rules. Even though the concept of an omnipotent ever-seeing being might be creepy to some, it does play a commendable role in keeping people from choosing the wrong path. There is a good chance that thoughts like – "I'm not responsible to anyone. So why should I care?" crop up and that combined with the other nagging thought – "I'll circumvent my rule this one time. After all it is a rule I set for myself" form a deadly duo that is likely to take the person down his path of destruction. It's a natural and there are not many with a will strong enough to fight back those misleading thoughts.

Not only that but religion also provides the necessary incentive for the individual to be considerate and helpful even when the individual knows no one is looking. It may just be fear that drives it, but the end result is desirable. The person need not be religious to be spontaneously 'good' to others, but it is not an inherent attribute of atheism.

Moreover without a consensus on the rules that are to be followed, disagreement and misunderstanding are bound to erupt, with each person advocating his or her code of ethics as the right one. What is the chance that a whole section of the population believes in a single set of rules, without any external agent imposing it upon them? Not much, I believe. This defeats the purpose of atheism – a society devoid of violence and disagreement, the two undesirables which supporters of atheism claim are the domain of religion.

As an added bonus man can fall back to the bastion of religion when he has been rejected by friends and isolated by the society. It is the only form of soothing escapism that is not entertainment and helps the individual to get back on his feet.

Let me come back to the first line of this article, the quote from London's buses. When there is no proper unified set of rules to follow and no sense of responsibility at a personal level, confusion will prevail and that is quite likely to spawn violence and corruption. What was an inter-communal conflict soon becomes an inter-personal one. Under such circumstances how is anyone supposed to enjoy life?

Simply put atheism does not have the faculty to manage the complications arising out of the clash of individual agendas in a society without a unified code of conduct This one factor is enough to let loose the Pandora's Box. Not as an example of atheism but as an example of a society marred by the clash of individual agendas, I would put forth several African countries, most prominently Congo which reels under the pressure of civil war, with each faction fighting to have its own way.

Religion is nowhere close to being the foolproof method of preserving order in a society but it is a relatively better alternative to a world without religion. Atheism is just as good at being a solution as it is to being the source of troubles.

Category: Editorial
Posted by sandyqbg, 8:55am
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That's some rant there, never knew that.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:12 am PT
Interesting read, but I have to respectfully disagree. There's a little too much speculation to prove your points than I'd like, to be honest. For instance, who's to say that a society devoid of religion would result in utter chaos? Unless there is a study that I am unaware of, then the answer is "nobody". The problem is that you assume that without religion, people would have no morals and would just say "**** it, I'm doing whatever I want!" It is widely believed that this is incorrect, because morals do not come from religion. Instead, we are all born with a "conscience" and a basic sense of what's right and wrong. So as I said, there's just too many assumptions for this argument to hold water for me. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that atheism is the "solution". For all I know, you could be right, and if atheism prevails, chaos would reign. I'm just pointing out that as of yet, nobody quite knows what the result would be of religion disappearing completely.
Anyway, nice read man! Keep it up!

Oh, one more thing though. Just because religion was an important part of society before, that doesn't mean that it should be (or is) an important part of society now. I think evidence of this is in the fact that as time has progressed, the US government has become more and more secular (although contrary to popular religious belief, it never actually was based on religion in the first place). The way I see it is that religion was so central to things back then because religion was so important. The lack of technology meant that people were scared and confused about the unknown, and thus religion was very important to them. With as far as science has progressed now, there's certainly no need for fairy-tale comforts as far as I'm concerned.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:21 am PT
@Forerunner: Keep it coming. I'm gonna redraft it after I've got the comments
Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:38 am PT
@Mitu: It isn't a rant. I'm actually getting it ready for my college magazine. This is one of the two topics I've chosen. It also gave me an opportunity to explore new ideas and that's I'm doing. I personally hold no grudge against atheists. In fact I'm little better at following my own faith than an atheist is
Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:42 am PT
I've edited the article and ironed out tonal issues and supported it with a few facts at a few points
Posted Jan 8, 2009 11:10 am PT
As an atheist, I see religion as something that has been always used (and it is still clearly used) to manipulate people by means of a set of rules into whichever behaviour is seen more ethic or moral or acceptable or more convenient. I don't think atheism is the solution to anything, same as religion isn't either. Each one is much entitled to whatever beliefs suits them better and religious beliefs or the lack of them can unite people just as much as alienate them. Religion shouldn't be a weapon but a choice. Athrocities have been made in the mane of religion, and current religious leaders (the Catholic Church Pope Benedicto XVI for example) don't act as they preach. Hypocrites they are and as such I despise them. I am absolutely against and I strongly dislike institutionalized religions, there are just big sects and brain suckers to me. They just seek power. The concept of religion to me is something way more private and simple. Sorry if my opinion offended anyone, it wasn't my intention at all. Hugs
Posted Jan 8, 2009 12:12 pm PT
that was a pretty darn good post.

And as far as the crusades are concerned. If you do some thorough research into the history of these events you will find that the primary cause of them for both sides was overpopulation.

Both the Normans and Muslims needed more land to accommodate their exploding population problems. Once the crusades began there was no stopping them for quite some time.

Also you will find that the majority of "athiests" are really agnostics. An agnostic believes in something but it is almost impossible to believe in the nothing that is purported by many self proclaimed atheists.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 1:59 pm PT
I am against organized religion, not personal religion.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 2:32 pm PT
Nice blog you got there. I'm a Catholic, myself, so I don't see why so many people are atheist. Obviously, I'm not saying everyone has to believe in what I believe, but how can you explain some of the things in this world. They found some of the remains of Noah's Ark recently and I highly doubt Noah would just build an ark for the hell of it. Sorry if I'm offending anyone it's just the $140,000 raised to support atheism is ridiculous.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 3:59 pm PT
@pspdemoboy: Why do you need to explain anything in the world to begin with? Or did Jesus jump on top of his T-Rex at the end of the day?

As I said on WL, this essay would be much, much stronger and easier to read if it wasn't knocking something down while it was building up. You'd be better off deleting the atheist comments and allowing people to see your ideas on religion without being offended, which will and already did happen.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 4:24 pm PT
Ooo, this is a for a magazine? Nice!
Okay well I see that you said that you updated it, so I'll take another look here pretty soon when I get the chance.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 5:17 pm PT
Atheism isn't a solution nor does it offer all the answers. It is a personal choice, for me a personal choice made because I didn't belive in the teachings of the bible and the existence of a infallible, all knowing, all seeing god. Now that is not to say religion has nothing good to offer, there are some good sensible parts in most of the "holy" books.

If you feel you need fear, intimidation and a divine being to keep you on the right track, then I shall not take that away from you nor shall I strive to rob you of the comfort it provides you. But we must all be respectful and tolerant of others and their belives.

I have to get back to work so I'll just end this by saying, I respectfully disagree with your analysis of what an Atheist society would be like and I hope we all can co-exist in peace and tolerance despite our different beliefs.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 11:50 pm PT
RELIGION...! In my opinion, people don't need religion. It makes various segregation's in society. Whatever, we all are HUMANS... To be united as one species, we[humans] need to give-up religions.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 2:12 am PT
@boo-moo: I don't think there's anything offensive in that
@iowastate: Thanx. Overpopulation was one of the main causes for the Crusades
@alibaba: Organized religion and personal religion? In the sense?
@pspdemoboy: Personal interests, I presume
@Aber: I haven't been putting any atheists comments. And I have not completely generalized it. I've just demonstrated why atheism might not necessarily be the solution some claim it to be. I did not say that atheism is bad or anything like that
@Forerunner: Give it a go
@essi:I'm gonna give it another edit, maybe making it more readable. I'm gonna replace the unproved certainties to possibilities
@K-Lord: I respect your opinion, but I still believe that in the absence of religion or its type we still a need a strong common ruleset that is acceptable by a majority
Posted Jan 9, 2009 2:58 am PT
I've edited it again and got rid of more assumed absolutes(or so I feel)
Posted Jan 9, 2009 5:44 am PT
essi:

I'm afraid you have it backwards...from what I have seen fear and intimidation are more a work of athiests trying to remove "In God We Trust" from use by the vast majority and forcing removal of the Ten Commandments from Government property (even though the Government itself is based on these principals) than by the Christians who teach and practice love thy brother and turn the other cheek.

Remember separation of church and state was in the constitution of the Soviet Union NOT the United States.....in our constitution you have the freedom to worship as you please and the guarantee the the government will not institute a state run church like the The English Anglican church. There was never A separation of Church and state in the American constitution and there was never the intent for a separation of the two .... only the freedom to worship in any church you desired because the founders never expected that anyone would be anything other than a Christian of some denomination or other.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 6:40 am PT
@essi & iowastate: Both religion and atheism can be found guilty of employing intimidating techniques to get things done their way. Atheism doing such things is quite rare to come by because atheism as a concept has risen quite recently and is still far from reaching the popularity religion does or did.
@essi: The fear of God in religion cannot be exactly classified as intimidation, can it?
Posted Jan 9, 2009 8:20 am PT
@iowastate

Sure there are fearmongers amongst Atheists aswell, but I was not aware of the examples you provide.

Anyways the fear I was talking about is the fear Religions (for example the Catholic and evangelist faiths) put in their followers to make it easier to enforce and make sure that they follow the rules put down (such as the fear of eternal suffering in Hell).

As far as I know Atheism doesn't teach any morales, it how ever teaches you to live life as you want. Which I don't really think would lead to anymore bad things then having a religion that teaches or even forces their morales on their followers. It's in human nature to feel compassion for other people and to strive for a better life quality for one self and your society.

Now on the flip side of that ofcourse is the risk of the few who are prone to anti-social behavior to run rampant if they didn't have the guidance of religion. I personally doubt very much that in the absence of religion there would be more killings, wars, fraud etc. As to removing "In God we Trust" from use by the government, I can see why they would want that. Removing the Ten Commandments from government property however doesn't make much sense since the US is founded on these very principles, divine or not they make alot of good sense. On the other hand some of them are very exclusive to the christian faiths and I understand why non-religious people don't want to be governed and judged by those principles.


PS. I may have weired off topic acouple of places in regards to responding to your post, I just get so very excited when discussing these issues with levelheaded peers like minded or not.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 8:53 am PT
essi wrote: "It's in human nature to feel compassion for other people and to strive for a better life quality for one self and your society."
You really think so? How would you explain the innumerous incidents where individuals do anything, even sacrifice others and betray their own society for selfish gains?
Posted Jan 9, 2009 9:38 am PT
Again I am an atheist but I don't see why atheism needs $ to be supported or why anyone would feel the need to campaing pro it. I say live and let live. I could understand stablished religions need for money: they have churches and all and every expense but atheism needs nothing. I think that fundraising is a bad idea, it must spring in oneself.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 12:04 pm PT
@sandy: How would you explain religious folk doing the very thing you just claimed happen?

There's crazy, mean, or ignorant people on both sides of the fence, and there would still be with or without religion.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 12:39 pm PT
@ sandyqbg

Okay, that was a HUGE statement on my part. let me revise it.

By human evolution we are programmed to build societies(For the purpose of survival), not dismantle them. To build a society you kinda need to not have everyone walking about killing and raping etc. all the time.

Now some of you might be thinking, Religion.... sure why not, But probably not.

"How would you explain the innumerous incidents where individuals do anything, even sacrifice others and betray their own society for selfish gains?"

Freewill, stupidity, selfisness or all of above (Regardless of religious or atheist belief)

"The fear of God in religion cannot be exactly classified as intimidation, can it?"

Okay, that was just a filler But the whole Hell thing kinda makes me wonder, what kind of all powerfull god needs fear to make sure people stay faithful?
Posted Jan 9, 2009 4:43 pm PT
@Sandy - Organized religion can be dangerous - a powerful figure can use some nasty political trickery in that position. Personal religion - you believe in it. That is all.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 6:46 pm PT
Human nature?

indeed - human nature is what a human has learned or been taught through out his life.


The primary gift of Christianity has been the morals of the Ten Commandments.

While I don't dispute that there may be some good people who don't believe in God.

Certainly some of my best friends don't believe the same as I do, the lack of a good moral belief system to rely on is what distresses me the most about atheism. Religion is an has been a necessity throughout history. Remember if you don't learn from the mistakes of the past you are doomed to repeat them.

Without them there would be not have been any of the great nations of Europe and would not be any United States nor any of the nations of South America.

It was based on religion, whether it be Zoroastrianism, Shinto, Buddhism, Hindu, or Islam the great empires and Asia and the Orient rose and the nations that are strong stay that way.

Without any religion you have no foundation
Posted Jan 9, 2009 8:34 pm PT
@Aber: I was just showing him the mistake in his point. I never said anything abt religious ppl being always good or atheists being always bad. Aber, you need to be clear about the context of the points I have discussed, in the articles or in the discussions of the article
@alibaba: Okay, I get your point
@essi: Again essi, you're missing the point. I'm not debating about the existence of God, just the merits and demerits of a person's belief in God. If you put points in the way you put the last point, this discussion will take a whole new turn with more controversy not related to the context of the article
Posted Jan 9, 2009 10:41 pm PT
I told that, right here you are fighting and quarreling because of religion.....
Posted Jan 10, 2009 12:06 am PT
@K-Lord: lol, that just goes to prove one of my points, doesn't it?
Posted Jan 10, 2009 1:32 am PT
Okay, I seem to be getting more and more off-topic every time I post and I seem to be unable to communicate by point accurately. So I think I'll just quietly step out of this discussion.
Posted Jan 10, 2009 12:04 pm PT
@ sandyqbg: mmmm....it seems to be......
Posted Jan 10, 2009 8:23 pm PT
Well, sandy, you need to stop being such a religious bigot. I guess we both have something to work on.
Posted Jan 11, 2009 7:49 am PT
@Aber: Excuse me. I'm not being a bigot. It's you Aber who wont tolerate any belief that you think is not similar to yours. Even though I may have used some strong words initially(and I apologize for that), I was still open to opinions and I said earlier in TWL this is more of literary exercise than a complete portrayal of my views. Any argument to support my views were to merely to support some of the points in my essay and not to show atheism as wrong. I did NOT say that atheism is wrong. So stop holding the wrong end of the stick and ranting, if you please
Posted Jan 18, 2009 12:20 am PT
What do you think about Marx theory : religion is the opiate of the masses ?
Posted Jan 30, 2009 3:33 am PT
That was pure potery, my friend. Great Subject, and in my opinion absolutly true.
Posted Feb 12, 2009 3:47 pm PT
As a non-believer, I am always amazed how seriously atheism is taken as a religion. There certainly are atheists who treat it as such. They write about atheism, go to atheist meetings and proselytize about atheism. Honestly though, that sounds the same as being a believer to me. I take particular issue with the gist of this blog. You seem to be working from the position that we need something like a religion, something that involves meetings, proselytizing and whatnot, in order to have a functional society. I argue this is not true. It is evident that human morals do not stem from religion but that religion stems from human morals. If it were otherwise, the only hindrance I would have with say murder is the prospect of punishment. However, punishment is dealt out by people and thus one could elude it. If your thesis that law and morality come from religion were true, I would be willing to commit murder so long as I could get away with it. You'll just have to believe me when I say that is not the case. My point is this. Your argument is essentially the equivalent to saying the non-religious are amoral. My experience has been that the most decent people I have ever met are non-religious and the worst people I have ever met are found in churches. I won't say there aren't amoral atheists and there aren't moral religious people (I've met both), but that this is evidence that the presence of God or religion does not promote good behavior. Atheism simply removes an excuse for bad behavior. It's hard to justify wars and terrorism with non-belief.
Posted Apr 28, 2009 11:41 am PT
Argh! Glitchspot hates paragraphs!
Posted Apr 28, 2009 11:43 am PT
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