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Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009

Very often Christians are seen as condemning, hateful, and intolerant of other people's beliefs and disbeliefs. Many have said the God of the Bible is an unjust, wrathful dictator who punishes those who do not deserve it. As a result, Christians are seen as bigots who believe we are a corrupt people, actually deserving of this wrath.

If this is your belief, let me disagree with you. I do not like the idea of hell. I do not want to be intolerant, I would much rather be accepting and encouraging. I'd much rather welcome all belief systems with open arms and simply say, "God will welcome your commitment to your faith, whatever faith that might be."

However, I cannot do this. I cannot tell a person he is well when he is dying. I cannot go against what I believe to be true and lie about whether there not being future damnation. I'd much rather the world to be perfect, free from pain, misery, and death. Why would I want to cause even more by believing in and warning others about hell? I do not want to cause even more pain and agony.

I cannot deny what I believe to be true. Against my wishes, I do believe there is a literal and eternal place called hell. I believe that only those who are perfect will not go there, and thus, all of us deserve hell for our imperfection. Against my wishes to simply being in denial, I must accept that hell is what we deserve. Heaven is what I would much rather deserve but the only one who deserves heaven is the one who created it. Thankfully, we, who are enemies of God, can be adopted into the family of God.

We are but hungry orphans in a dying world. God offers us the chance to enter into his family. There is nothing we can do to make it up to God, as an orphan might as well give pocket change to his adoptive father in repayment. How can a deptor repay an impossible dept? God needs nothing from us but desires our love. Our rightful place is to be far from God but he has loved us enough to humble himself to the point of dying for us.

With all of this said, it is not bigatry, intolerance, or hatefulness that I mention hell. I only mention hell because I fear what eternity is in front of the people I encounter, and because I rejoice in the fact that God has made a way out.

Category: Religion
Posted by mindstorm, 12:27pm
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I actually heard the english translation of "hell", derived from one of the original greek versions of the Bible, was misinterpreted. As it was originally written, "hell" was a temporary punishment, in the context it was used, not eternal. There has actually been a lot of debate over the subject matter. If you want, I can PM you a website where you might find evidence of there not actually being a hell, as we know it. But if there is a hell, I believe it is a state of being without a God. If God gives you a full fledged opportunity at some point of your life to follow Him, and you deny it, when you die, you will be without God, as you chose to be without Him. But if you believe in God and His teachings, but didn't quite do your best to keep away from sin, then you're temporarily punished, and given another chance.
Posted Oct 20, 2009 2:11 pm PT
@enterawesome: 2 Thessalonians 1:9 would disagree, "They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power." And this is not translated wrong since the word for everlasting here is aionios which is used to express that something has no beginning, no end, or both. In the context of the word, only "without end" makes any sense. This same word is used in reference to eternal life. To make eternal damnation have an end is to make eternal life have an end. Jude 1:9 also uses this Greek word to describe "the punishment of eternal fire."

As far as what hell is like, the worst part about it is indeed separation from God. And with the type of punishment, if it is not literally being thrown into a lake of fire I can't imagine being an object of God's wrath to be an enjoyable experience. I do not believe God's wrath can be sugarcoated, nor should it be. To diminish God's wrath is to diminish the meaning behind sending his Son Jesus Christ to die upon the cross.
Posted Oct 20, 2009 4:33 pm PT
You were missing the main point. The problem I have with the biblical concept of hell is that it's eternal punishment for a finite sin. Mentioning salvation doesn't solve anything because that offers an eternal reward for a finite good deed (you had a belief in Jesus for a finite amount of time). An infinitely long reward/punishment that's given as a result of a finite lifetime is woefully unfair to me.
Posted Oct 20, 2009 8:10 pm PT
Very good. You hit the spot. Most people don't want to believe in Hell, or it's to hard to imagine everlasting punishment. But the real reason there is Hell is because God made it for Satan when he became a bad guy. And for one more reason to accept Jesus as your Lord and savior.
Posted Oct 21, 2009 1:37 pm PT
So, you are so full of love that you don't mind telling people that they'll go to hell? I wonder why you think you have the right or authority to judge others by your own actions?

Your Thessalonians quote does not mean eternal according to Youngs Literal Translation. A finite punishment makes equal sense from direct Koine translation. Also, are you talking about Jude 1:7,not 1:9? Once again, Sodem and Gomorrah is a fine example of a finite time, since the cities were re-built.
Posted Oct 22, 2009 8:28 am PT
@RationalAtheist: I merely teach what Scripture says by its own authority. Being that I am not the judge over creation I have never directly told someone they were going to hell. However, I certainly will tell someone what Scripture says. In other words, I try to be nice about it.

YLT does not say in Thessalonians that this is eternal but it that certainly does not mean that the punishment is temporary. You can actually read about that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young%27s_Literal_Translation#Eternity_or_age Indeed many try to make the word mean something temporary, but I personally feel that it would be forcing a belief into the Bible that is not what the text says, aka eisegesis rather than exegesis. ...and since when was Sodom and Gomorrah rebuilt? There is even debate about where they once stood as there isn't even a foundation left of them. Many believe the cities were close to the Dead Sea, but I've certainly never heard of them being found. Also, even if they were rebuilt, that does not mean the people who died in Genesis were reborn or had the wrath of God released from them.
Posted Oct 22, 2009 11:42 am PT
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