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Friday, Nov 30, 2007

I've been struggling to close all of these constant threads and then take on the menial task of writing one last post in each one telling every upset user to go to the Off-Topic forum where his comments will be more appreciated. Doing this has allowed me to keep busy while I think about this situation, which in turn has kept me fromdoing something stupid in the heat of fury. So I am calmed now and amthinking more clearly, and I think it's safe for me to post some thoughts on this situation with Jeff Gerstmann.

I'm not going to pretend I was a big fan of Jeff's. I really wasn't. I think he might have been one of my least favorite reviewers here. He's one of the smartest guys here and has a tremendous presence, and I find him to be extremely entertaining to watch and read, I just never really found myself completely able to rely on his opinions ultimately mirroring my own once I actually played any given game he reviewed. Some will probably realize that the Twilight Princess reviews have something to do with that opinion, but in reality they only added to a growing pile of disappointment with his reviews over time. For me, the first review that really began my saga of not being able to identify with Jeff's opinions was another Zelda game, namely "Majora's Mask". But it wasn't just Zelda. There was just something about his opinions that left me unable to rely on any recommendations to buy or to pass. Invariably, when Jeff was the reviewer, it was a flag to me that I would need to try the game myself regardless and see what I thought about it, instead of using his review in the way it was intended.

I am saying all of this at such a sensitive time because I feel like I have to get that out of the way before I go ahead and say what I am about to say. The bottom-line for me with Jeff Gerstmann is that whatever I felt about his reviews or his opinions, I always knew he was being honest. He never sold out -- not to me -- not to others -- he wrote it like he saw it, and that's that. In other words, he was CREDIBLE.

It's apparently confirmed that he's gone. I am just not sure why he's gone. I can say though, without reservation, that if what is being reported is really how this went down, then it just throws that hard earned credibility out the window. I can't say that kind of thing lightly. I firmly believe that this valuable asset is what kept people coming back and made the site what it is today, and Jeff was one of the largest contributors to that asset. In the reviewing game, credibility is both the all-powerful Queen you use to your offensive advantage and the King that you defend above all else. It is NEVER the pawn. Gamespot has been my favorite source for objective reviews for many years, and I'd hate to see them checkmated due to a questionable decision for short-term cash at the expense of long-term credibiility.

If any of this is true, then Gamespot and CNET can only really call their future editorials on the evaluation of games the title of "reviews" in name only. Reviews are by definition objective evaluations, not intended to be colored by other alliances, whether they be emotional or economic. And if they aren't really "reviews", then they won't be on my plate. Again predicating this on the validity of these rumors, I firmly believe that it was unfair to task Jeff with writing a review for K&L, and then expect him to write an Eidos company-line instead.

I guess what I am saying is that I am with you on this one Jeff. That probably sounds meaningless coming from someone who just said he didn't value you as a reviewer, but I think if this has taught me anything, it's that I should have valued you more than I did.

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Posted by m0zart, 1:35am
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Very awesome and well thought out post. I agree with you completely, and I wish the best to all of gamespot's wonderful staff and volunteer moderators through this stressful ordeal.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 1:57 am PT
There will definately be some reliablity issues with gamespot from now on.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 4:19 am PT
I agree with NailBail. I still can't believe it's happening.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 5:30 am PT
Yeah this is insane, I don't quite agree with you about TP, I think that whole thing got way out of hand. You have to really remember that Jeff gave the first 10.0 ever (Yes even before THPS3) to Ocarina, and that was a huge move and took alot of energy out of Jeff, and you have to realise that he didn't at all think TP was a bad game by any measure, it just relied on a very similar Zelda formula which is why it didn't deserve a really high score. That's my two pennies anyways, I do see where you're coming from though.

It's just a sick move by CNET.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 6:14 am PT
Donkeys live a long time.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 6:51 am PT
That makes two of us.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 8:26 am PT
joshel wrote:
Yeah this is insane, I don't quite agree with you about TP, I think that whole thing got way out of hand. You have to really remember that Jeff gave the first 10.0 ever (Yes even before THPS3) to Ocarina, and that was a huge move and took alot of energy out of Jeff, and you have to realise that he didn't at all think TP was a bad game by any measure, it just relied on a very similar Zelda formula which is why it didn't deserve a really high score. That's my two pennies anyways, I do see where you're coming from though.


Yeah I really can't agree with that at all. I don't care what he gave Ocarina of Time ten years ago. That should literally have nothing to do with how he judges the gameplay in TP. I don't agree with the many who keep refering to Twilight Princess as just a derivitive or copy of Ocarina of Time. Twilight Princess was absolutely astounding, even compare to Ocarina. It expanded on the formula in ways I couldn't have anticipated, in ways I only dreamed of prior. It was my GOTY.

When someone like Jeff is willing to give obvious kudos to series staples to sequels in the Tekken series, with one of his strong points being along the lines of "But hey, IT'S TEKKEN", I don't expect him to them complain about a game as astounding as TP for being derivitive.

I also couldn't relate to his complaints about the controls "feeling forced". I go on record as being nervous and seriously objectiving to the idea that TP would have WIi controls tacked on in the months after it was announced. But when I actually played the game, I found myself taking to those controls like a duck to water. I ended up forgetting that I was controlling things in that manner very quickly. Later when I tried to pick up the Gamecube game, I found myself struggling to use the traditional Ocarina control methods, as they simply didn't seem anywhere near as intuitive.

Anyway, there it is. I just can't agree with you or Jeff's review. I would still stand up for his integrity in saying what he did, but I can't pretend that his evaluation fit with my experiences.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 9:05 am PT
My apologies on what is basically a bastardised cut-and-copy from another thread, but the idea of not spamming my thoughts every chance is alien to me.

It's an interesting situation, but rather than harp on about the mess CNet have seemingly dropped themselves in, I'm a lot more concerned with the public who view this sacking as a moral victory because he gave their game of choice a sum total of i.2 points short of a perfect game score.

Personally, I've never used 'spot as a review site because I'm not a fan of their reviews (and I question to worth of any site willing to slap a 10/10 on Chrono Cross) but I respect anyone willing to voice his true opinion on something as Jeff seemed happy to do. That there are people out there pleased that they guy is on the unemployment line, and he's on that line because he did his job like he should.

Public opinion goes from:

"He deserved it! I've hated the guy ever since that Zelda review"

to:

"Jeff is a hero! He was fired because he refused to take bribes from publishers to up game scores!"

Blind hatred to martyrdom. And for all our well-thought words, these are the majority voices. As a reviewer, as an editor and as a gamer, this worries me more than I can put into words

Luckily I can scurry back to my little corner of the internet and escape the drama. My heart goes out to those who cannot.
Posted Nov 30, 2007 9:09 am PT
Totaly agree, I never cared for Jeff as a reviewer, the TP was just one of many reviews I did not agree with at all. But he was always honest and that got him fired (allegedly). Can any future GS editor feel safe when writing reviews from now on?
Posted Nov 30, 2007 10:17 am PT
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen so many people in agreement about something on this board
Posted Nov 30, 2007 11:22 am PT
I agree. While (sorry Jeff) I never liked his reviews as much as those of others (like Kasavin), I appreciated his ability and basically desire to "tell it like it is". For him to get canned for that is well... it's disheartening. I wonder if CNET really thought their decision through all the way when they decided to pull the plug on Jeff, they must have suspected they would get a major amount of backlash from it, but I wonder if they knew exactly how much... =/
Posted Nov 30, 2007 6:32 pm PT
I have to say that I thought Jeff was an excellent reviewer but was not perfect, but then again who is?

I totally appreciate everything you did here over the weekend m0zart. I tried to do the same with helping people focus their efforts positively rather than negatively
Posted Dec 2, 2007 7:26 pm PT
I know this is old, but i was really shocked he got fired for telling it like it is.

That pissed me off...
Posted Jul 18, 2008 6:57 pm PT
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