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Thursday, Nov 6, 2008

I have heard a couple interesting things post-election that I thought I'd share before going into my rant about Prop 8 passing thanks to a whopping 70% of black voters voting to ban gay marriage... Chew on that irony while I share some lighter things...

• Barack Obama is the first Senator since JFK to reach the White House

• Barack is the first Democrat to earn over 50% of the vote since Jimmy Carter

• Newspaper sales on Nov. 5, 2008 reached record highs... Highest number of papers sold since Sept. 12, 2001... Copies of the San Francisco Chronicle special issue have sold for as much as $51 on eBay...

• The HOPE pop-art poster that has been featured on many blogs around here was designed by Shepard Fairey, a young kid known for his guerilla marketing type of self promotion that includes several arrests for posting his art on blank buildings without permission... Obama's poster was the first one he asked for permission to do.

• The top choice for the new White House puppy is a GoldenDoodle


Now onto the Shock and Awe part of this blog...

California's Proposition 8 passed 52% to 48% effectively banning Gay Marriage in the state. But the thing that I find the most disturbing about the vote is that black voters in our state voted 7 to 3 in Favor of the prop.

Really? After all your years of Civil Rights battles - In the year the first black man is elected President - In the year that Martin Luther King Jr's dream is realized you voted to pass a proposition that denies civil rights to another minority group.

You would think that a group of people that have suffered from so much injustice in their lives would not want others to face the same fate. You would think.

I am very disappointed in the hypocrity of this... They can hide behind their religious beliefs all they want, but by casting a yes vote they have voted FOR prejudice and discrimination. And that's just sad.

If I remember my Bible correctly didn't Jesus welcome the outcasts and the unwanted? When did the churches who stand in his honor stop doing the same?

I'm sure I am going to hit a nerve with some with this post, but I am really just stunned by this... This prop was about Civil Rights, not Religion and yet the religious groups in their unending crusade to squash freedom of religion (i.e. equality and personal freedoms) have managed to once again impose their moral beliefs on a state wide level...

Let me end by saying that I am not condeming those who don't believe in same sex marriage, I think they have the unalienable right to have that opinion... But they have condemed those who do believe...

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Hey Lisa. For some reason I have been unable to "track" your blogs. I can only assume that we have the redesign to thank for that. I hadn't realized that you had been posting. I can see your point the civil rights. But, as a fundamental bible believing christian I have to tell you that you are right about what Jesus says- but it is also clear that according to the bible that God is not a supporter of gay relationships. Most fundamental Christians feel that their politics have to reflect their faith- or they are in faith being hypocrits. If you do not hold the same beliefs- it is hard to understand.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 2:09 pm PT
Seems to be tracking you now
Posted Nov 6, 2008 2:13 pm PT
Hi Lisa - it's refreshing to see a little sense propounded on the site

@ascaffo - "... but it is also clear that according to the bible that God is not a supporter of gay relationships." Really!?! - on whose authority? Those that assembled, translated and censored what was considered appropriate for a very specific society some 10 or more centuries back?
I do agree with your final point - it's very difficult to understand how in this day and age, there are still those that live according to the dictates of an unenlightened era.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 2:27 pm PT
You know what, that is a great argument... I now (with great reluctance see your point and believe it is valid one... Wow I can't believe I just said that... So here's an idea... in the future perhaps you could all just not vote at all when it comes to these issues, then you wouldn't be violating faith or civil rights... Just a thought Thank you for making a case based in logic for once, it is refreshing!!
Posted Nov 6, 2008 2:30 pm PT
Not voting on the issues is actually a good idea. It makes sense for me. Especially since when we (christians) vote it does not so much effect "us" anyway. I hold true to my beliefs and let others hold to theirs. The problem lies in the extremists, any extremist. A person of an extreme position usually infringes on the basic principles of live and let live.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:18 pm PT
People in Chicago are still trying to find a copy of that paper.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:40 pm PT
Nice trivia. Very cute puppy. I was sad to hear the gay marriage was banned in California.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:45 pm PT
I was done posting for the day until I read your blog. As a Black/African-American Man, I wrestled with myself for many hours regarding which way to vote. I was taught at a very young age that Homosexuality is wrong and perpetrators are punished with persecution and disease. My parents imbedded it into my head and it was frowned upon with my religion and in my household. Even considering all of the aforementioned and despite still believing that Marriage is defined as the union between a Man and a Woman, I still voted "No" as I believe that the Government shouldn't have the power to adversely influence people's personal lives.

In regard to comparing the Civil rights movement to Gay rights, I'm going to have to disagree. There is no comparison. As someone who was subjected to racism in the early 70's as a child, there is no comparing Marriage rights to basic individual rights. You can hide being gay and temporarily cease the flamboyant behavior (if applicable), but you can't hide the color of your skin or the texture of your hair. Gays weren't lynched, hanged, subjected to slavery, hosing, segregation, aparthied and discriminated against because of their dark skin, large lips or any other differing features. Additionally, they weren't all kidnapped from their homeland and forced into bondage to work in Cotton fields as indentured servants. Marriage is a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to what Blacks endured.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:49 pm PT
I am saddened by this great step backwards. In Civil Rights. Despite what may be the reasons and beleifs behind the choices, it is still just prejudice and discrimination.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:53 pm PT
I am saddened by this great step backwards. In Civil Rights. Despite what may be the reasons and beleifs behind the choices, it is still just prejudice and discrimination.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 3:53 pm PT
A lot of people allow their religious beliefs to define what peoples civil rights should be. The more devout the individual, the more restricted their outlook will be. It's a sad reality, but there it is.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 5:49 pm PT
sylent -- Oh please. Gay people are beaten up and killed all the time, even on suspicion. On top of this, young gays have a heartbreaking suicide rate well above that of their age cohort.



Sure, the attacks are less open and common and socially acceptable now, but at least there's not some kind of morally authoritative Scripture out there saying that you're evil and should be killed for the color of your skin, and no one's kicking you out of the armed services on corroborated testimony of your being black.



Along with the fact that we are talking about people's rights here, and regardless what you personally think of gay people, I defy you to articulate any valid reason they can't marry each other.



Just ... throwing it out there.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 5:57 pm PT
tjaman- Step off your high horse for a second and think about what you just wrote. Gay people might be beaten up here and there by a few myopic jackasses, but it's NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING compared to slavery. To compare the plight between the two is beyond asinine. When you see gays lynched, hanged, publically whipped, beaten and forced to work in cotton fields, THEN speak to me in that righteous tone. Gays can hide their sexual orientation. Blacks couldn't hide the color of their skin or texture of their hair.

Even though I still think Marriage is defined as a union between a Man and a Woman, NOWHERE did I say that the two SHOULDN'T be allowed to Marry. Don't put words in my posts. I suppose you conveniently skipped over the part where I said that I voted "No" on Prop. 8. As I previously mentioned a multitude of times on various blogs, it's discriminatory. I believe gays SHOULD have the opportunity, equality and freedom to do whatever makes them happy. Additionally, the Government shouldn't have the authority to invade people's personal lives. By the way, TV.com sucks. It's bolding my second paragraph when I use the paragraph html code. :S Sorry for hijacking your blog, Lisa.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 9:54 am PT
Well, at least you thought really hard about it and came to the conclusion you did. Others didn't, and were completely comfortable about voting for it. Quite a few others. It wasn't just California. Two other states voted against gay marriage as well, like it's a problem.



Oppression is oppression, and it's ugly whoever it's directed against.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 11:10 am PT
Ahhh yes America...land of the beautiful and home of hypocrity! It amazes me in this day and age (really any day and age) how people can be so closed minded and judgemental of others. Like anyone has the right to sit in judgement of another human being...
Posted Nov 7, 2008 11:29 am PT
When arriving to that conclusion, I thought of a friend of mine that's gay He's a really good guy that deserves the same opportunity to be happy as the rest of us regardless of his sexual preference. The Government has no business butting into his personal affairs. Really, it's quite hypocritical when you think about it. They do all this preaching about family values then elected officials go out and have flings with secretaries and hookers. Anyway, I was able to evolve beyond my original programming. Too bad others can't which is painfully obvious with the 52% yes vote. We have a long way to go.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 12:31 pm PT
20 years ago it wouldn't have been anything like as close as 52 percent, tho, so that's progress, I guess. It's just wild that people are so freaked out by the very idea.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 12:37 pm PT
Hey ...
Seeing as we're all hijacking Lisa's Blog, and at the risk of sounding pedantic (mea culpa), can I just say that "hypocrity" isn't actually a word.
Thanks.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 3:51 pm PT
sylent... Just for the record I didn't mean to imply that gays today suffer the same level of injustices that blacks did during slavery... Just that I thought they would be more accepting and understanding of a minority groups desire to be treated equal after their own long civil rights movement...


You can all free to hijack my blogs anytime
Posted Nov 7, 2008 5:18 pm PT
Disclosure: I'm African American/black/woman of color, agnostic, believe that consenting humans over 18 can do what they want with each other - including marriage if they so choose.

Issue: Ummmm, when it comes to gay rights, why must blacks, who only make up @ 15% of the population, bear the "fault" when a vote concerning "anti-gay" rights fail? Where are the stats on how Caucasians, Hispanics, Asian, etc. voted? Or ethnic groups who have been discriminated against in the U.S.? Any stats on how Jewish or Japanese people voted? Since when does a minority group control the political decisions of the larger society? The majority must be like minded for changes to occur. Why must black people be the "conscience" of the U.S.?

I don't think anyone should compare or try to quantify the "wrongs" perpetrated on one group versus another. The fastest way to put just about any black person on the defense is to say "it's the same issue of civil rights" or my favorite (and unrelated) - PETA caged animals argument made analogous with slavery.

Posted Nov 8, 2008 5:53 pm PT
Hakuna Matata, Lisa. No worries. I'm kind of agreeing with hari on one thing- Why should Blacks bear the resposibility of the 52% when we make up such a minute percentage of the population? In actuality, Blacks make up about 13% of the total population. What about the other people that have been oppressed? Rather than it being a racial issue, it's more of an issue of social acceptability.

(Bold not meant of emphasis) You know, I was disappointed with the behavior over the weekend. Because the "Yes" vote passed, there were certain individuals that felt it necessary to vandalize property to get their point across or perhaps show their frustration. All that does is further convey the nay-sayers initial reactions. Too bad.
Posted Nov 10, 2008 11:01 am PT
Hari - I wasn't assigning blame... If I was assigning blame I would have to blame religion and the fear and intolerance it breeds... but that's another blog... As for the other ethnic races voting trends on Prop 8... Whites 70% against, Hispanics 52% against and Asians 48% against...
Posted Nov 10, 2008 12:49 pm PT
Hmmmmmm, well, race, politics and religion can be very volatile subjects. That statistic has become viral in relationship to California's Prop 8. I think it's misleading when the media doesn't provide all related stats and numbers when doing breakdowns by race and ethnicity. It can be very divisive.

History provides many examples of (your label) "hypocrisy" - just because members of Group A were stepped on by Group B, doesn't mean that Group A will be just and fair with Group C. Take care
Posted Nov 10, 2008 7:34 pm PT
Glad you wrote about Prop 8, I haven't had the time so it's good to see that someone is getting fierce about it. If you strike any nerves well then good for you, people should feel struck by something as outrageous as this. It still makes me angry. But I have hope that one day who you want to marry, sexual orientation and all that won't matter any more then what your favorite color is. Electing Obama is a nice step in toward that direction but we need bigger steps and we need them to happen soon.
Posted Nov 24, 2008 8:23 am PT
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