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Friday, Aug 29, 2008

I read an article on an anime website which was about women in anime. I don't know whether the point of the article was to address the portrayal of women in anime/manga or address the issue of lack of female mangakas in the industry. I wrote about the irrelevence of needing more female mangakas because gender has nothing to do with the quality of the content. I've also mentioned few examples of "different" and "unique" women in shoujo mangas/animes. A female user posted something about women in a far-east country having master degrees and working as waitresses. I posted that gender has nothing to do with those women having a master degree and serving food because men in that country also have master and PHD and serve food and we have many of them here. Not having job oppertunities and discrimination against females are two different things. The user said she sent a sample of her work to a print house and they turned her down because she was female. She's from Texas btw so I don't know if these things really happen over there. I told her that the print house is owned by people and not the gov. therefore the gov. can't do anything about her being disciminated against because of her gender. Another user jumped out of the blue and told me that the country has one of the best anti-discrimination systems on the face of earth. I told her that this only applies on companies which are owned by the gov. and not companies which are owned by people. I told her that the number of companies which are owned by people where she is is larger than the number of companies which are owned by the gov. because of the economical system and the only condition where the gov. is involved in a private companies' appointment policy is when those companies hire forigeners and use public property. Another user said that the gov. punishes people who violate civil rights and among them is the principle of EEO. I told her that proving that a company violated civil laws is not the gov's job. It's the person's job to prove that he/she have were disciminated against by those companies and this scenario takes place in courts. So the gov. does not interfere in the way corporations hire people because those corporations are owned by people and not them. I also told them that personal freedom is a constitutional principle when EEO was mentioned in civil rights law and constitution is the supreme law of any country so people hiring other based on gender/race/religion etc. is a personal freedom as long as those corporations were owned by those people.

After I made many posts explaining why the gov. can't stop companies from disciminating against females and that some companies are run by sick people, users started calling me names. Ironically, the user who said that the country has one of the best anti-discimination systems on the face of earth called another user a European snob. Funny how the article highlighted the issue of showing women as dumb and clumsy creatures who all they wanna do is cook to satisfy men when the women behind those screen names are ignorant themselves. Maybe the reason why women in anime are dumb because those who watch them also lack in the knowledge department? Not really. So instead of barking about why aren't there more women in a certain industry when it doesn't matter and the way a certain medium shows women which you find offensive because of cultural difference, how about you learn about your country's economical foundation. Wouldn't it be better?

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Posted by gamingqueen, 1:27pm
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People think that girls are being made a certain way because of sexist viewpoints. What I've seen the Japanese do is not sexist. A lot of times its horribly funny.

Anyway, don't you love how any internet discussion suddenly turns into feminists yelling at non-feminists? Or any other political party, to be exact?
Posted Aug 29, 2008 2:20 pm PT
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Posted Aug 29, 2008 2:32 pm PT
well, first you gotta be tolerant, above else, if ur not tolerant, you wont get anywhere, and itll end up being a shouting match at the, as you said, different groups b1tching about their hardships and their opinions. and you have to understand that in different areas of the world people have different customs, but to criticize someone without understanding their background and viewpoints is ludicrous...euros are snotty people...
Posted Aug 29, 2008 2:32 pm PT
because in about everything, having a women doing something that normally a man would do is weird to some people. Like on here when guys see girl gamers, there like "OMG are you really a girl!" and then they wonder why the girls leave. I wish they could just threat them like every other gamers and we would have more girl gamers.
Posted Aug 29, 2008 8:03 pm PT
what.. what the heck are you doing up at 7 in the morning gamingqueen?

and incidentally, I don't get how... um... I don't inderstand what the topic... er... it's 7 in the morning!!! I'm only up b/c of ahem such and such. Unless you're traveling abroad are you?

All I can say is... teh internetz, siryus bizness! Seriously, don't think you can reason with people on the internet, it's a diffucult feat, I should know, it's what I've been trying to do the past few years. It only serves to bring you IQ down. Just take it easy, and live lightly. Otherwise... well, you don't want to be surrounded by a community of morons, it's rather depressing, heh.

and I'd have to say that manga, or at least anime, is becoming more and more stale and the conventions present in most really annoy me. I don't fancy it anymore, though that is due to me being older, and so anime really turns out to be... shallow and lame, for one thing
Posted Aug 29, 2008 9:46 pm PT
What you say is true. It is illegal to discriminate but one has to prove that they were discriminated against in order to get any real legal action going. Which isn't so easy. In other words, yes you can be denied a job because of skin color, sex, or cultural background.
Posted Aug 30, 2008 12:27 am PT
There is no discussion that being born as a female automatically puts us in the second row. Although we have come a long way, we still have a long way to go. It is absolutely true that discrimination is present in the Western industrial countries as well as elsewhere. In my field of study/work, females are in majority but it is almost always men who achieve fame and money and success. Mostly because the society doesn't have the same expectation and demand much less from a female. As for the portrayal of woman in Anime/Manga etc. well most users are male, so the target group is male and it is about satisfying their needs.
Posted Aug 30, 2008 1:52 am PT
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Posted Aug 30, 2008 1:52 am PT
The only thing I can say about this topic is that Japan is very much a machist society in general. Things are getting a bit better but women never had it easy in Japan.
Posted Aug 30, 2008 2:49 am PT
Scifi: I know it happens but not to the point that they can blame everything on that. In this time and age I doubt any developped/industrial country does that to women nowadays because they all need workforce.
Posted Aug 30, 2008 9:14 am PT
Hi GQ, pretty interesting stuff. Well discrimination is everywhere, and about everything. to light, to dark, to big, to small, to short, to tall, wrong sex, to much sex, and on and on. Yes there are laws here in the states, and part of the law is a percentage of each ethnic group to be allowed in. Meaning companies are to have so many of an ethnic group employed whether they are qualified or not. Kind of tough on the guy that is qualified, out of a job, married with three kids to feed. Or the kid who wants to go to college and can't get a grant becuase he's not the other color, his parents are expected to flip the whole bill because they live in a house with a mortgage, dad works two jobs, mom works too, while also taking care of the kids and house when she comes home.
Yep lots of discrimination going on out there. Life is tough and I've lived through alot of it. Best thing I can say is, Instead of crying about it, actually do something about it. Never give up and push on.
Just wanted to say Hi GQ, later, Game On
Posted Sep 8, 2008 7:46 pm PT
Things are improving and there is less discrimination over race, colour, religion, sex BUT until people can learn to overcome their personal prejudices and intolerance their bigotry will be passed on to the place of business. We see it all to often, there are still attempts made at segregation of some type of another in places sometimes successfully. I will never understand the mind that sees something that is not there.

There is a culture mindset that has a big effect in differnt peoples.

But I also think the idea that this is learned at home is used as excuse for for boorish and verging on criminal behavior.

endemic of the "blame it on society" mindset promulgated by sociologists that has led to the lack of civility in modern society and I think that has allowed this problem also.

If people don't feel a need to be polite...why should they feel a need to not be sexist or boorish?
Posted Sep 9, 2008 2:06 pm PT
in the usa there are anti discrimanation LAWS(the government CAN stop companies from discrimination, they can also prevent it at schools). You can't be fired for being to old, fat, smelly, having aids, the wrong color, the wrong sexual orientation. Only for failing to do your job.
Posted Sep 27, 2008 4:11 pm PT
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