Wish i could paint that well... but seriously, great ink painting thing.

And cool sketches too, some of the stances look so layed back yet cool

You never fail to amaze.

kekekekeke

Evan: Do you know the history/context of "kekeke"? Of course you might have guessed that I've since taken it into a context of my own that you clearly get for the most part.

BK Hammer grapples you say? Very interesting. Though it would mostly amount to "Homeruns", Smashes and stabs with the stick portion of the weapon. I suppose you could do some fun things using your imagination.

In the future you should do the same for the Blade of Olympus and the Spear of Destiny *which has some funny grapple potential*

NOTE: Have you seen how POWERFUL the hammer gets at lvl2? How about lvl3 where it is MONSTROUS? Simple triangle attacks with blocks between by and large spells "victory" with BK on your side. Every boss where I had the Hammer got RAEPED.

If you are willing to draw them, I'm willing to help you think some up. Also, since you've encounter the Axe Minotaur (Minotaur Grunt) of GoW1..have you noticed that during its Single downward swipe you can attack at the last minute to activate a circle mash mini-game to hold off and take it's weapon only to drive it back into the beast? This is among the funniest things that you'll run into. One more thing, Have you used Orion's Harpoon yet? To be more specific, have you HELD "O" while using it on armorless grunts to not only bring them down but to bring them back into the grapple stage?

**BK Hammer grapples you say? Very interesting. Though it would mostly amount to "Homeruns", **

nope. better.

**Smashes and stabs with the stick portion of the weapon. I suppose you could do some fun things using your imagination**

yeah but i ahve yet to think of a good animation using the stick portion...but i'll manage.

**In the future you should do the same for the Blade of Olympus and the Spear of Destiny *which has some funny grapple potential***

not till i master them myself...

**NOTE: Have you seen how POWERFUL the hammer gets at lvl2? How about lvl3 where it is MONSTROUS? Simple triangle attacks with blocks between by and large spells "victory" with BK on your side. Every boss where I had the Hammer got RAEPED.**

yeah i mastered the BK hammer alright. experienced all 3 levels of it.

**If you are willing to draw them, I'm willing to help you think some up.**

well "draw" is a strong word here, i'm just gonna sketch them like i did with the combos above. but if u'd like to bring up some ideas then by all means do so! u can post 'em here or PM them. credits ofcourse will go to u when i do them

**Also, since you've encounter the Axe Minotaur (Minotaur Grunt) of GoW1..have you noticed that during its Single downward swipe you can attack at the last minute to activate a circle mash mini-game to hold off and take it's weapon only to drive it back into the beast?**

u have to attack to trigger that mini-game? i thought it acme by luck! thanx for the info...

** This is among the funniest things that you'll run into.**

along with re-visiting the ship captain during te BK battle LULZ

**One more thing, Have you used Orion's Harpoon yet?**

here and there yes. i love the variety they've got. makes up for the one-parry-animation...

**To be more specific, have you HELD "O" while using it on armorless grunts to not only bring them down but to bring them back into the grapple stage?**

.....................huh? well which armorless grunts are we talkin about for a start? and what do u mean with "grapple stage"?

btw doesn't "kekekeke" resemble the sound of that sound when u chuckle in a sneeky way?

Evan: You can also use the souls and shockwaves since they ARE part of the weapons functions...so If they get impaled on the stick, he could summon a torrent of about 5 souls to shoot up/down through the victim, tearing them to pieces quickly.

No luck involved, you must trigger its game. When it kicks its feet it means to go for the 3 hit combo. If it starts to attack with the strike without warning it is going for the one you can counter with a single press of square just before it hits.

the "grapple stage" only occrus on certain grunts. When you grab a Fate Sentry it goes to a stage of holding them that can be interupted. From here you must press a face-button to choose the finisher you want. Any creature that has a grapple stage AND can be grappled without waiting for "O" to appear can be pulled from Orion's Harpoon into the 'grapple stage'..including:

Undead Archer *GoW1 gold shoulder armor*
Cursed Archer *GoW1 silver shoulder armor-explosive arrows*
Undead Legionnaire *GoW1 armorless fodder enemy*
Fate Sentry *GoWII armorless fodder enemy*

A small number of enemies can still suffer the Infinite Air Grapple.

~KEKEKE is something to that effect..it orginated in PC games known as RTS..I believe it was "Star Craft". Korean players would Zerg rush whilst typing 'kekeke' because there is no "h" on their keyboard. So instead of "he he he" we get "kekeke" which is more lulzy

ok so i didn't stray away from what kekeke really meant....ever heard ernie in sesame-street chuckle? that's what i mean with "kekekekeke"!

thanx for the heads up 'bout the grapples. gonna try them out if my bad lense runs anything of the game right now.

Evan: No problem..tell me if you get a chance to try it out.

NOTE: In my Titan Mode NUR I'm currently at Endurance Run before the Final Sister, Clotho. After her...Zeus

.....good thing for u i already knew that spoiler.

tried out the grabs, sweet. altho my game froze earlier this time; instead of the area after beating perseus, the cutscene before the fight itself kept buffering terribly till it froze.

Evan: Such poor luck with copies..too bad. You did say this was your last hope did you not?..As far as copies go anyway. I assume you can still find a solution other then waiting 2 months.

As for the Minotaur grapple:
-I like the first blow..Kratos dodges under attack/lands blow to its gut
My follow-up to it would have been:
-Spin like the origal except the hit sweeps the feet out from under the beast in a way that turns it mid-air as it falls to its back, head towards and feat away from Kratos
-Kratos follows up the sweep with a downward swing like the one used to kill the Barbarian King (the blow crushed its skull to pieces)
^After the initial blow lands I'd have a random-button press come up then another after the sweep and just before the killing blow. You can likely imaine what failure for either button press would look like.

I'm not sure how to handle the grunts creatively:
-Simply a trip to torso smash (with limbs coming off or flailing) would be fine
-Like how each Grunt enemy has a grapple stage, the hammer should use one too. It should also share the "square during this stage means use the enemy as a projectile while "X" means toss it up/down"
-I remember Astaroth (Soul Calibur) would wrap enemies around his Hammer/Axe (not the weapon end of course) then pull down to snap their bones viciously..very cool to look at..reminescent of a "traingle" grapple (the Fate Sentry/Guardian neck snap for instance)

NOTE: Still at the "Endurance Run"..this will be where I must truely TEST MY MIGHT

**Evan: Such poor luck with copies..too bad. You did say this was your last hope did you not?..As far as copies go anyway. I assume you can still find a solution other then waiting 2 months.**

u miss understood me; i retried the copy i already had, i still didn't get the "last hope" copy from yahya. it's not over.....yet

**I like the first blow..**

glad u noticed, i was thinking of adding a second arrow to clearafiy the action

**^After the initial blow lands I'd have a random-button press come up then another after the sweep and just before the killing blow. You can likely imaine what failure for either button press would look like.**

which initial blow? i've started thinking cool mini-games afterwards but i have to make sure which move u speak of...

**NOTE: Still at the "Endurance Run"..this will be where I must truely TEST MY MIGHT **

endurance run? this different from the NUR?

yo man still didn't lose your touch : ) ,BTW aren't you a little over doing it in you drawing your own face, I mean come on Evan your face doesn't look that scary, although it looks like what you sketched but in the coming 2 years lol, still really good jop man.(wanna see how will I look like in that style lol maybe you end up writing wanted below )

still your trying to create moves with the blades of chaos/Athena but they still end up similar to each other, and I noticed you ended up using a Kun-fu style at the end of the( square X4), so you running out of moves for that weapon, maybe if you change them to a different style in a way:

-A different weapon than blades of chaos/Athena but similar, like same fighting style but different looking in it own way, you know something like cloud(I can't believe am comparing Cloud's weapon with a loser like Kratos), in advent children they kinda changed his weapon in a way that it looks the same but has/does different moves/fighting style than his old one.

-Or you can make Kratos has a different stance in a way he would be able to do his moves in a different order and add some new things, you know just like Sora(again comparing Sora to a loser like Kratos but Sora is not nearly as cool as Could so I'll let this be), when he changes to his forms, see how every stance was different though he was still using 2 Key blades and ended up using completely different moves, thats what I mean.

Good jop the Hammer moves, that lousy weak weapon almost useless it needs something like this.

And I agree with creeper, after I got the Lance, though I forgot all about the Blades and almost stooped using them it did need more moves(expecting that in GOWIII) so if you leave the stupid weapon alone and try other moves with the lance it would be better.

**BTW aren't you a little over doing it in you drawing your own face, I mean come on Evan your face doesn't look that scary,**

i just glued the eyebrows with eyes so much, had to give some space between them to give a friendly look. ....u didn't hear the comments i got from my class mates lol

**and I noticed you ended up using a Kun-fu style at the end of the( square X4),**

kun-fu!??! woz kun-fu about it??

** so you running out of moves for that weapon,**

no i'm not; this is just the begining!

**(I can't believe am comparing Cloud's weapon with a loser like Kratos)**

X-cuse-me? kratos ain't the one who looks like a homo...

**(again comparing Sora to a loser like Kratos ....**

? ok dude i know u don't like kratos that much but can u please re-view that last sentence?
i mean, him:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i318/evanescfan/sora.jpg
compared to him?:
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/corybarlog/gow2atlasimageforcory.jpg

helllooo?

**that lousy weak weapon almost useless it needs something like this.**

ok i can debate the "lousy" part, but this wepaon is ANYTHING but WEAK!!!

Yahya: The Barbarian Hammer is the weapon of the ELITES. The Spear of Destiny is for finesse play (among sub-weapons) and the Blade of Olympus is for looking bada** more then being bada**. In a Titan Mode NUR I raped nearly everything using the Hammer. I continue to do so in my second Titan Mode NUR w/ the costume "General Kratos"..his stats are:

A: 50% P: 50%
H: 25%
M: 25%
EXP: 500% *does no good in a NUR*
T: 25%

NOTE: Titan Mode's changes to enemy aggressiveness and recovery are still in effect..making it even more difficutl then a Titan Mode NUR

~Sora..that piece of trash..my eldest brother (30) plays that dumb game and we both joke about it:
EX: How do I attack? Press X
How do I move fasther? X
How do I SHOOP WHOOP? X, lol
Though I will credit the Sephiroth battle in KH2 as being a worthy challenge where the rest of the series is concerned. As for Cloud.. KEKEKE. The jokes are many about Final Fantasy titles..especially part 7. Sephiroth being the "prettiest male villain of all itme"..lol

OK am with you guys that Sora will have some challenge fighting someone like Karots, I will be with you on that, but he would at the end Sora could win and end of fainting after the fight(the fight he won), same thing what happened when he fought Squall/Leaon, but he didn't have any effect on Sephiroth, but thats just my fanboy-side talking, still Sora still has more style than Kratos and he still using the same weapon.

As for Cloud I don't need to prove how awesome he looks in ways Karots doesn't stand a chance so its point-less arguing there and why I can't compare Kratos with Cloud .

Oh for the KH2 Sephiroth battle that was a joke to be call a Sephiroth battle, coz if you fight him in KH 1 you would see the true power of Sephiroth, as for you going around just pressing X, you seem to be talking based on what people has been saying, its only 1/2 true but doing everything with X is just false(the only problem they had too much moves they put most of them in X button which a lot of ppl found it easy to beat the boss with).

BUT everything changed now coz if you didn't know they did the 2nd release for KH2 in Japan(30 % done BTW Evan), and critical mod(V.Hard) mad people forget that anymore where the game simply fixed it by decreasing your Max heat 75% and enemys in the game now could kill you in 3 hits if your not very careful and stop going around randomly pressing X like Noobs do, it Kinda did the same thing GOW GOD mod but in a much simpler way.

OK maybe instead of Sora I should of compared Kratos with Roixs, and I don't think Even has anything to say now after watching the new Sora vs Roxis fight in KH II FM, and how bad Roxis mad GOW game look bad in Boss fights(or it just mad it the whole game look bad lol) I even have the KH II FM trailer to prove if you would like to compare,ha

Anyway I watched 300 today with my friends(they forced me), it was good but not as good as people said, it had its really good moments in the movie, but they didn't detailed it as good as i thought, I mean the Spartan king wasn't that of a good guy as they showed in the movie, and I felt that they had too much to tell so they skipped a lot of battles in a lets rap it up in a quick way you know, and what was so funny and annoying that people who were watching the movie kept clapping and sheering for every good part in the movie(ya Evan thats another annoying thing you should prepare your self for), at the end of the movie when the Spartans were going to fight the barbarians, everyone started cheering just coz they saw the number of Spartans and thinking there going to win this fight not knowing what well happened at the end, just to show how stupid humans can be, STILL Troy(though Akleas was too over powered in that movie) had a better after effect feeling than 300 did for me, so I can say Tory is better Greece movie than 300.

BTW Evan am trying out the last hope here man with the last Copy of GOW II(just got my PS2 back), pray that it works man coz not only did I spend too much time trying to crack it but money too.

**still Sora still has more style than Kratos and he still using the same weapon.**

style? hell ya. ya i'll agree with that.....just don't tell me dante has style! he's no where in the competetion now..

**As for Cloud I don't need to prove how awesome he looks in ways Karots doesn't stand a chance so its point-less arguing there and why I can't compare Kratos with Cloud**

well it's hard to determine...cloud comes from a world without limits (he's already dead for crying out loud!), while kratos comes from a solid greek myth. ok not exactly "solid" but u get the point

**30 % done BTW Evan**

!? is it me, or did GOW2 load faster than this? or maybe i'm just reading this post late

ok about that roxas part; i couldn't even dare qoute u!!! sure he lokoed amazing and challenging but that's how all KH bosses should be! not to say that all KH bosses are better than the GOW ones! does KH have finishing moves? alright man i liked the fight and all i really do! but that does not harm the GOW game not one bit!! i-i-i-i...aarrrggh!! GOW IS THE BEST ACTION ADVENTURE GAME. KINGDOM HEARTS IS THE BEST "RPG" ADVENTURE GAME. they cannot be compared! period.

**(ya Evan thats another annoying thing you should prepare your self for), **

oh i wouldn't bother; i don't think i'm going to the movie, doesn't sound that "new" or anything.

**BTW Evan am trying out the last hope here man with the last Copy of GOW II(just got my PS2 back), pray that it works man coz not only did I spend too much time trying to crack it but money too.**

u got your PS2? good! keep me updated!
(pray i will!)

Yahya: 300 is from the graphic novel..based on the Battle of Thermopylae. Most wouldn't know the history (I do) but would simply figure the Spartans shown throughout the movie to be unbeatable in such large numbers..though the stupid say things like "It'll have a sequel".

Roxis..lol. Stick with the "effeminate, yet bada**" Sephiroth and his unnecessarily, possibly damningly long katana. Cloud sickens me like many other FF main characters. When Cloud becomes a killer of the innocents..then I'll have some interest in his character. A good way to enrage FF fans is to use lesser FF title charcters and say they were superior to FFVII's Cloud (or Sephiroth). Acting like you believe any of the sh*t you are saying works best...even when you (the troll) would actually think they are all equally craptacular. (lololol)

^Sorry Evan..I'm getting ready to entertain Soul. Got to start getting back into the mindset. Listing examples versus using them is the least offensive warm-up I can think of.

~Titan Mode..when either/both of you get it..by all means. Then follow up with a Titan Mode NUR..maybe even a GK:TM:NUR if you wish to gloat at lesser players..

NOTE: Evan - Is Kratos using a "Homerun" swing on the Satyr? It is hard for me to tell.

OK I'll challenge creeper in this, I'll give 3 vids of KH II and you give me something in GOW II that looks as awesome as the vids I will show you:

1-KH II FM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVl0DaZ0HbE

OK you can skip the half of the trailer of you don't want to see all 7 min, cos the 1st 1/2 is preview of the re-make of KH in the GBA, ya we get a 2nd REMAKE might I add for free cool ha, and the 2nd 1/2 is just showing you all the new things in KH II they add(which is ALOT), the most important part I want you to see at the end when Roxis fights Sora and tell me what do you think, coz like I said to Evan all that was missing is a rain of beams falling on Sora.

2&3 there just contuses each other since the KHII only bring the beginning and KH II FM brings the rest and might I add the whole thing was just WOW tell that loser Micky showed up, he missed everything up:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQTwjmlPSgo&mode=related&search=

(thats not the original background music of the ending but its makes it much more cooler)

Part 2THIS IS WHAT you and Evan need to see)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnEKFoyZGmM&mode=related&search=

OK tyr keeping up with the Video, BTW this is really a KH video no any other SE RPG game, am not joking, and see how cool KH is.

This 3 Videos shows how original all the KH II designs, and how it makes GOW II look very bad, so I ask both of you to find me a Video of GOW that is equal to this.

Yea you and Evan bring me a video that leaves the same after effect feeling after watching them, or let me see you brother make fun of KH II after looking at these 3 vids.

I'll be waiting.

**NOTE: Evan - Is Kratos using a "Homerun" swing on the Satyr? It is hard for me to tell.**

nah i thought he would, but i perfered kratos would just juggle him with the hammer then swing a blow as the satyr lands to toss him away.

the trick here is, the satyr is unarmed now! so i geuss a quick non-interuptive animation would occur where the satyr would jump to his weapon before the fight carries on.

2 YAHYA: u realize you're asking for GOW2 spoilers?

**Part 2 (THIS IS WHAT you and Evan need to see)**

yeah i saw that one on GT. pretty awesome i have to admit.

the difference between GOW and KH here is that KH secrets keep u geussing endlessly (since there are no limitations) while the GOW ones take u straight to the point leaving u with few and obvious endings...thing is, none of those few endings turn out to be true!

gtg now yahya, will call u later

2 GMG: PM me to discuss what 3 vids we'll get. i wanna know if there's anytihng i should avoid opening

I don't care not even the power of the GOW2 spoilers will not effect me after what I just saw in the new Sercet ending for KH II FM, I thought the 1st one in KH FM was awesome but after this WOW I kept asking was that a KH game or a new movie just like FFVII AC, did you see what was happing there I mean this is no normal Disney game anymore( I don't think anyone on there right mind can call te game only for kids after that).

Am still waiting Evan, show me your best .

you're getting on my nerves, u know that bub? ~lol

look, if you're looking for "WTF who is that?" and "huh? woz going on? i wanna know!!" then you're a little late for GOW2. the game is already out, and all teasers are dried out.

KHII on the other hand, is still fresh, espcially for guys like u and me since the game's out only in japan atm.

so this really is a bad comparison, other than the fact that they are seperate genres, one game is old and the other is brand new.

unless you're looking for a good-action-packed-mind-blowing cutscene, i can't help u there.

I will not dignify that challenge yahya. I can't even take KHII seriously. I've seen a good deal of the cutscenes and they just give me a reverse boner. I will for the sake of your comment observe the videos and reply with 3 videos althought the challenge itself is ludicrous. That would be like comparing combat tactics of "turn-based combat" vs Devil May Cry's combat system to me. Different feels are desirable...thus the idea of bada** is different (like any construct) between rival opinions.
~This stupid c*nt has had me waiting for an hour so I'm just going to GTFO and contact Eternal. Watch Amercian History X with him FGJ.

If I felt like I did watching those vids while seeing GoW footage I'd have to go to Barlog's house and kill him for gaying up my favorite game.
~It screams Final Fantasy and what's worse is the DIsney style blended in there when I don't like either style..the way they tell stories is just..formula DRAMA to me. I don't want that in my games..I simply want a lot of killing. The movements seemed like a mix of Devil May Cry (flash over true violence) and FF: Advent Children (eye candy gone wrong). It just isn't my style Yahya..I saw the second video a LONG time ago. The first one left me waiting at the end..I was hoping to see some sort of brutality though a game with even a remote Disney influence wouldn't have that. ~The sole interesting character I saw was the old guy with the goatee (reminescent of Kratos) who just kept pwning those kids. They had to gay him up to at the end with that giant summoned Heart. What was he thinking? "I summon Captain Planet! Recycle or f*cking kill you!" NOTE: Now that I've finally gotten around to seeing those I do not wish to bother with the challenge..I will aid Evan if he wished to pursue this anyway but it will have to wait until Evan has at least beaten the game so I don't hear whining about SPOILERS.

2 YAHYA: now u did it...

Like it or not, that was a FF style, its SE for crying out loud, and Disney almost does nothing in KH, let me tell you how Disney works in KH, all they do is provide SE with the money, characters, star actors and maybe a little work with them, so KH is like 90% SE(as you saw in the secret video), it depends on story and Drama more than gameplay, and thats not a bad thing, coz they do it very well, and the gameplay is not even bad(excellent to be the least), and everyone who always goes around saying its only for kids:

1- they didn't try it and think there too cool to play a game that has Micky in it without even giving it a chance, thats called human igronance.

2- they don't like seeing how FF characters do so well or they don't like the fact that it beat there favorite game so they make fun of it to try and make people stop playing it., thats called human stupidity.

3- they actually try it and don't like it but these are like 11% of the time.

I did not compare it coz of game play I compared it the first time to show you how Roxis is no joke in the game and how well he KH characters a designed and original so ppl don't go saying," oh he does the same thing all the FF characters do, what a ripp-off ", unlike Kraots could have sometimes the same looks,weapons or style, but once they show it it looks completely different, in other words there more detailed than Kraots thats what I mean. And after I saw the 3rd cilp(downloaded it of course to see the true video wit hits graphics and might I add the graphics are WOW), what I liked most in that clip, not that I wanted blood or sinless fighting, the way they put the drama in it, they fight had a a lot of things other than action and drama:

-excellent Directing -Showing emotions in a detailed way
-no voice acting yet you can feel what there feeling
-I thought at first KH is going to go Halo on me in the 2nd video but after I saw the the 3rd, I changed my mind and see how the old man looks completely different(though they took the idea from the Scryed anime but they did it differently).
-How well everything was done effects, character emotion, music and good timing with all 3 which is extremely hard to do.

AND BTW That big heart you saw is Kingdom Hearts, the whole battle was to stop him from summoning Kingdom Hearts, don't go telling me that the old man looks stupid just coz he summned the very thing he was aiming for, as you can see his design is completely different and original and the way summoning Kingdom Hearts in front of these 3 shows how poorly he thinks of them, picture it, the end is coming and the guy is telling you you can't do a damn thing about it, and at the edn why does that loser have to appear in every secret vid, I mean wht is Disney forcing them so they think Micky could be liked more that way, ITS MICKY for crying out loud, why are they trying to make him look cool while is a complete moron in every way I see it.

no blood coz Disney will sue them if they do so, its quite enough how they took alot of things off in KH II coz they though it wasn't good for children to see, and so stupid how they took the part and blood of the Pirates of the Caribbean when captain Jack shoat the other pirate(they took off the slow motion from the game itself coz of Disney) at the end(though its in there movie??), or taking off the blood from the Hydra in the US/PAL vr. , and am afraid if they ever bring KH II FM to the US they would take the 3rd video off coz they guy dying is bad for kids :S .

Anyway accept it or not creeper but as good as GOW II is KH has a better advantage, I do not want a action cilp from GOW I want a cilp that matches both cipls(1st and 3rd) in presentation, and I at least 3 videos done the same way the 3rd video did, making you feel if your on Kratos side at the end of the clip or not.

SOoooo Evan now that creeper is out what will you do, admit you lost or should I wait for you hahahahahaaaaaa

Anyway Evan, life sucks right, coz the 4th one is broken BUT I know why now, and I am going to try it one last time, but when I get money for it, I think I know why they didn't work and am 75% sure this time, we will have to wait 2 weeks so I could have the time and money to get another DL disc, and 50% for KH II FM, and waiting patiently not downloading any other anime so I don't slow the speed and its taking sooooo long, the people at the site will kill me but I don't care KH II comes first lol, 1 day left man.

dude, for the last time; u won't find what you're looking for in GOW2! it's a matter of taste!
but if it's feelign like your on kratos' side, then the end game should do it. i only await a good link from gmg since i don't wanna spoil anything else for myself.

in the mean time, here's a few good scnes. the main one i want u to see is "the last spartan"....poiler warning, not game end spoilers tho...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ivEnMXvy8

**Anyway Evan, life sucks right...**

................
is it worth it? should we just wait for the 2 months to end?

as for KHII FM, do u have enough DL DVDs?

and is there any chance of seeing each other these days? i've got my next monday and sunday free, what about u?

btw, u paid enough so far, i'll take over once we meet.

DRAMA such as that find in an SE title is to be hated by those in my 'classification'. At best ignnored. The most drama I can take in my games without feeling a sense of revoltion is where a loved one dies in your arms..that's about it..I don't care for these "the main female character doesn't notice me...yet" sort of scenes let alone the rest of the ordeals shoved down my throat every second I watch of SE games or Disney movies..it is all just so..EMO. I mocked an old friend of mine named Arte Tuano at every turn for his love of FF games. If I had my way I would have broken his scrawny neck for what his actions brought down upon me..like my brother Shawn, he too will be made to suffer but this is another topic entirely. To sum the aformententioned up: I will always hate the FF series. The best thing they've done to win some of my favor is get rid of that tiresome "turn-based combat". If they would just ease off the lame drama and usher in some more "mature" (violent/sexual) themes I'd take them seriously. I can live with the 'pure' games..just not when they stay so clean and expect me to play in through an adult sort of scenario with such a little b*tch as my onscreen avatar. They've all been pretty whimpy..there is always a character you can't exactly tell what gender it is.

Yahya...you would have to be both delusional and a fool to believe this to be any anyway I legitimate challenge. What you are asking for relies on style. If it is flashy bull crap you want..Devil May Cry has it. If it is story telling with brutallity..God of War. EMO Drama with occassional scenes of over the top action with zero substance *brutality*...SE games. Quite frankly..I find it curious that anyone takes Sephiroth seriously..a character that is hailed so highly for his brutality with such a pathetic body count..not to mention all his kill are so clean..You couldn't ask for a more curtious killer..keepign your body in one piece or just reducing it to nothing. Like Devil May Cry they like to either divide down the middle, divide in half (across), impale or on rare occassion decapitate. Vergil is one example of this trend being broken when he pwned Beowulf. Though he also went on a "torse slicing" rampage...I love how nothing ever loses it's limbs in their action scenes..I guess that just isn't desirable in Japan where everything is to be without blemishes..just like Dante.

~They very notion of making a challenge (through comparison) where one contender is catered to by the win condition is nothing short of "my kind of bet". One that I cannot lose because it is quite simply rigged in my favor through what I ask for EXACTLY. ---It is like me challenging you to find more brutal deaths in KH2 then any that GoWII shows..your challenge in a word is "worthless". Evan can continue to pursue this redicolous conflict where I will just see that it goes down in flames. Without an impartial judge, strict rules to follow and the like your challenge is without structure and therefor illigitimate.

"there is always a character you can't exactly tell what gender it is"

LULZ, i recently went thru that in yahya's FF9

linx comin up soon yahya

ok yahya, here are the linx (mid game spoilers)

LAST SPARTAN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ivEnMXvy8
starts after 1:35 min

ZEUS:
your choice! either u whatch the end game spoiler;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSlJJpggRM

or the part of zeus' betrayle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOmx0TnM7s&mode=related&search=
u and i know it, but it's still a good one

THE GREAT WAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3dzTMWCfmE&mode=related&search=
whatch it all.

have in mind we could have posted u the game ending, but gmg himself pities spoiling the great ending for u.

"find it curious that anyone takes Sephiroth seriously..a character that is hailed so highly for his brutality with such a pathetic body count..not to mention all his kill are so clean"

Clean ha, you didn't play FF7 as I can see, can you show me a part where he kills anyone so clean, can you plz, you wont find any coz all this his only game is in the PSone and the graphics was like WOW at its time, but now the DS can do it.

"through what I ask for EXACTLY. ---It is like me challenging you to find more brutal deaths in KH2 then any that GoWII shows..your challenge in a word is "worthless". Evan can continue to pursue this redicolous conflict where I will just see that it goes down in flames. Without an impartial judge, strict rules to follow and the like your challenge is without structure and therefor illigitimate"

You didn't read my last post ha, I clearly described what my challange was, and 1 thing I don't judge things by "brutal deaths" I judge by like I said before :

(( -How well everything was done effects, character emotion, music and good timing with all 3 which is extremely hard to do. ))

and whats I said about the the KH new Video was:

((
-excellent Directing -Showing emotions in a detailed way
-no voice acting yet you can feel what there feeling
-I thought at first KH is going to go Halo on me in the 2nd video but after I saw the the 3rd, I changed my mind and see how the old man looks completely different(though they took the idea from the Scryed anime but they did it differently).
-How well everything was done effects, character emotion, music and good timing with all 3 which is extremely hard to do. ))

So you see, unlike most Humans I judge how well the game is introducing it self to us, and reminding us why we play and why we love the game itself, or in other words its shows its greatness, KH shows that coz they know there fans don't play or mindless blood action or wasting time on another game, they show other people what we play KH.

anyway am watching the vides and am going to tell you what I think, serially I will judge it without any fan-boyism involved.

-OK the LAST SPARTAN:, for GOW fan(you guys) it would an excellent clip it really was, but one thing was missing, the background music Drama, where when I watched it I was pissed off and hated Zus more than before, BUT I didn't feel sorry for as guy as much as I wanted and when the city was burning the music was still low and didn't get pissed of as much as like, when I found out I killed Virgil in DMC(I played DMC3 first then DMC) or when Axel died in KH(Evan you know what am talking about), I felt so pissed off am like going this is stupid were is Roxis, see what I mean I got pissed about whats happing coz the the scene had more effect on me.

Look at this video of how Axel Died, of course creeper you wont feel anything since you don't know wtf is going on, so I this is like mostly for Evan to prove to him what i mean:

Quick summary Creeper, Axel in the GBA game was the tupe who was annoying, pisses you off, not sure which side he is on and always runs away from fights, but in KH 2 look at the clip is done, again you might not like it coz you don't know wtf is going on just like the secret ending when they were making fun of the Big Heart(which was Kingdom hearts Gate) :

I'll TRY to show you guys what I mena here is Axel personlilty in KH GBA REmake(so how swanky he is, there are other vids but I want to show Evan this one):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM3UPIVhJtY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQ-9Y2nqFM

BTW Evan thats not Riku and Namnie played with both the memorizes and Donland and goffy too, so there memorizes missed up coz of her and as you can see she is forced to do so.

Axel and Roxis:

after trying to stop Roxis from disparaging and join Sora body, not caring about Sora like he always did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bud8RUN1VM

Axel daying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6z6zBWI7lo(jap vr. you might find this better coz its not Censored coz nothing big) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM-XTxCjagg
(full eng vr PLZZZZZZZZZZZZ skip the 1st 5 mm coz the moron is there) -Zus vid I know it was good, V.good, I admit,the emotion were good, acting was top notch, it showed how Zus cares about him self, he do anything to protect his throne, and how Kratos stayed true to his self annoying self( though I hate it I respected him in that), even when Zus was doing I did the right thing my son forgive me coz I am a good actor and a loser to fool all people to see me as a good guy part, and still Kratos goes piss off your too ugly and smell like moron, STILL no good background music, this clip was missing one thing to be from excellent to is awesome, all it needed some puses to see what Krotos emotions after what he is feeling with the music on the back.

-THE GREAT WAR:

OK that was awesome, and I really wanted to see this clip from the beginning, but I suspected more fast past action, NOT like KH but like Mortal Kombat, and well I wanted to see more gods fight than only 3 still that was the best of all 3 but as I said I felt it was too short for something this awesome, I mean this is the great Titan war, where they show us how the gods were able to beat the great Titans but all I saw(though was good) was Ares and Zus doing most of the work.

See what I mean by Bog difference, thats why I see KH a better game than GOW, if SE had the chance to work with GOW(creeper go look in the mirror your eyes just went red after reading the las line), they would of improved the great Titan war, and mad the Last spartan scene much better, though the Zus scene is good the way it is, they just needed to show Kratos emotions more than there when he saw the flaw backs.

MK SM opening(fast action that is not like KH fantasy action):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu0zp1liCdg

Oh ya though the Phoenix was only in the anthology history, didn't know it was in the methodology too, since its in almost every god damn Final fantasy game as a summon(yes Evan even in FF9)

wow my post are alot these days, anyway Evan look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcPv1olwilc

not much but this is one of the small things they take off out of the US vr.

Yahyah:
Last Spartan - They didn't have time to piss away on longer cinematics. The Great War itself was supposed to have another 3 minutes of footage with fights and the 2D stills that the series' cutscenes became famous for in GoW1..Oceanus was suppossed to be fighting Hermes but you know the rest...time ran out and it like an entire 10 hours of the game planned had to be dropped. A common attack on Kingdom Hearts is their choice to put too much effort into the cutscenes where the gameplay and story needed the extra effort.

I've already read up quite a bit on the Kingdom Hearts series..as you can guess my opinion has not softened.

Also, Rage is among the few emotions Kratos knows how to exhibit.. only when he sees his wife (Gaia in her form) while in the Elysian Fields overlooking the ruined Sparta does he even begin to slip out other previously unseen emotions..expressing regret and remorse is something rare with an anti-hero..no one is trying to call Kratos a hero. That is simply not the case..nor would I want it to be.

Great War - As stated before they don't have time to dwell on cinematics when it would take away any further then it does from the game itself. They had to cut potentially AWESOME things like Giant Kratos form gameplay, a Chimera boss battle, sub-weapon unique mini-games, a large amount of levels (Crete, Sparta, Athens, Etna, Atlantis, etc.), among other things. They had to inorder to preserve their level of quality with what they had..Barlog had to take on his old job as an Animator (previously Head Animator) along side his duties as the Game Director just to keep some of the things that managed to make it in.

Also, Zeus wasn't shown doing battle. Hades was pwning the weak and elderly Kronos before Atlas attacked him. Poseidon caught him in a torrent of his god power (electricity similiar to PR) long enough for Hades to pull out his god essence with his weapon. The three elder brothers..the Ruler of the Heavens, the Ruler of the Seas, the Ruler of the Underworld..all shown. What is sad is that Hermes, Helios, Ares, Athena, Artemis, etc. were not shown. Althought they SHOULDN'T even exist yet at that time anyway..they were all born later. I don't understand why Helios is getting time on the screen when Artemis' brother Apollo is not. Hermes I can understand..but not Helios. Even though the Colossus of Rhodes was basically made in his image.

Other Titans were to be shown but again..they had to focus on telling the story that NEEDED to be told..ALL excess fat was cut much to the dismay of Barlog. He thought they had done enough cutting back but again found himself seeing it cut down further. Typhon didn't get his deserved time on screen as he was..any being that was father to creatures like THE Cerberus, Hydra, Ladon, Chimera, Sphinx, etc. deserved a lot more screen time..but he wasn't central to the story.. it would have been purely to make the video more impressive. Oceanus really would have been neat to see in motion..but it was not to be.

KH focuses far too much on cutscenes making the game look better then it is..at heart the game is simply inferior to GoW. Though it plays more like a crappy/simple DMC3.

Mortal Kombat: Deception had a good intro video...but Armageddon was pure crap it was simply a tribute to looking good for a sh*tty/forced story.

The Phoenix was nearly universal in mythology. Not quite as universal as the idea of dragons but close. Greek Mythology took from others around them and incorporated them into itself much like others did. the Sphinx being an obvious example..then there are the Roc and Manticore. Though the Hydra is clearly Greek Only..multiple headed dragons/serpents were not anything unique.

~KH style/music/approach may evoke the proper emotions from you.. but they simply do not effect me in the way they are meant to. I cannot be reached by the approach they employ. What exactly are you looking for in your drama?..The drive to KILL (like when you found out Ares was the one who tricked Kratos into killing his family) or cry? (like the foolish FFVII fans who thought it proper to shed tears over the slain Aerith). EMO Drama is territory left to games like Final Fantasy..something SE specializes in. With luck that will NEVER happen in a God of War title.

First I was happy when Ares died, coz after her death Cloud stooped that crappy emotions he was starting to show her, still I liked the whole video thing, wanna see a video with seproith showing how crazy this guy is and how he is determined to kill humans.(BTW when he jumps thats coz he knows he will be reborn with more power in th game and cloud is only a small 15 year old rookie who Zack been looking out for him):

anime part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8RJxdvS2kU&mode=related&search=

part 3:
you only have to see the first 1min or so to see why Cloud and Sephroith are rivals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzvt-x2Y9wo&mode=related&search=

(This the the part when Sephroith burns Clouds Village and kills everyone there after he gone nuts and learned his true history, BTW when Sephroith is there that flashbacks, but when Zack and cloud a running from the government thats the present time)

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OK you got a point may be you and other people like to focus more on the gameplay.

but most people would want story focused as much as gameplay, and KH gameplay is suppose to be different than DMC, it was suppose to play like FF AC, if you played the Roxes vs Axel fight or played with a more advanced Sora you would see you can't keep up with yourself and end groin blind coz you just keep pressing X button, now am playing on critical mod and I can't go only pressing X coz the is giving trouble since in the old vr. I didn't use any strategy , just triangle and X against him so the gameplay is not crappy anymore is it.(look at the Roxis vs Axel fight again), though it did copy GOW in the button mini game scene it does it in a different more anime look.

GOW war has its own style, and it has a good number of fans, but most people end up not enjoying it as much as another game because of the fact they focus way too much on gameplay (puzzles and long time levels), thats why you wont find GOW having as much fans as DMC or KH coz they focus on these things also, so when you find a trailer for the next squeal most people will get hyped on the story then the gameplay, when the trailer of GOW came out I only remember gameplay footage most forced on, thats why people will always see kH & DMC better.

I would of like you they kept the 3 minutes, it would of been much better, Corly should of fouced more on this, coz thats a key event in the story and cut some other levels, I mean the game is 7.9 GB for crying out loud.

Phoenix and the philosopher's stone I thought there originally from the Anthology side, not as Dragons but something like one of its kind( can't remember and similar creator), no other Phoenix in the anthology exists, and even Ifrite design was used in GOW as the giant manetor( the Boss fight).

Though I liked MK A I agree MKD was a better game,but they should of added more things than just characters, and that was MK SM( awesome 2 players adventure game but not too much on story), I just wanted to show you how even without the fantasy fighting, realism fighting can still look good and thats what I wanted to see in the Titan war.

2 KH LINX:
gotta love donlad. wakhwakhawkhakhawakh!!
as for the censorship; LAME!!!! axel's power IS fire! disney didn't even reconsider the idea!! it's like taking away the flames from the human torch!!!

2 GMG: 3 mins cut off? u got that info from the extras or something?

**expressing regret and remorse is something rare with an anti-hero**
that's why i favour these parts.

**KH focuses far too much on cutscenes making the game look better then it is..at heart the game is simply inferior to GoW. Though it plays more like a crappy/simple DMC3.**
~OBJECTION. KH 2's hack and slash is comparable to GOW. at least when it comes to boss battles.

2 MK DISCUSSION:
MK is crap. a waste of money, disk space, and time. i see no story, and no cutscnes. gameplay doens't even amke up for it's great faliure in the over all presentation but it's still worth trying in a 2-player mode. that's why i think MK should exist only in arcades from now on. their console legacy has ended a long time ago.

2 YAHYA:
**First I was happy when Ares died, coz after her death Cloud stooped that crappy emotions**
u mean aerith right?

**when the trailer of GOW came out I only remember gameplay footage most forced on, thats why people will always see kH & DMC better.**
yes! GOW's true advantage over other games is the gameplay...gotta problem with that?

**Corly should of fouced more on this, coz thats a key event in the story and cut some other levels, I mean the game is 7.9 GB for crying out loud**
cory got kicked out from the studio like 2 weeks before the game's release. i think he tried enough! hey did u guys check that "behind the games" GS interview with cory? he worked in DISNEY!!!! ROFLMAO

never theless, frunz for the titan war shortage. btw am i the only one complaining of how "comic" atlas looks like in the great war?

Yahya: I'm having trouble understanding you when you speak of Mythology. The Phoenix concept is widely recognized across the planet. Greek Mythology didn't have a single tail that covered the creature but they did recognize it.

Dragons ARE a universal imagined phenomenom as they reperestend a primordial 'chimera' of fear in man. Tigers, Eagles, Reptiles w/ a hint of FIRE. That is the general combination used. From there we've seen a host of different deviations from this formula that show the regions unique take on the creature of legend.

Ifrit has nothing to do with the Minotaur Boss of GoW1. They look completely different to me. Minotaurs are an old creature design in mythological terms..very old. This is simply a best with armor platting on it...we are to strip it off. The idea of having next to no skin on the creature itself (mostly muscle), especially the face, has a sort of Texan feel to it...the American image of a bull skull in a desert.

I'm not entirely sure why you brought up the FFVII anime.

Gameplay is my primary concern. The story has to be good and told through the cinematics..nothing more where I am concerned. The extra fat can be fun to watch but also needless..especially if you would rather skip it all together anyway. I don't buy games for pretty cutscenes..not even great stories..though a story helps drive me to the end..I can make my own if I really need that. All I care about is gameplay. So if a trailer doesn't show any...I am a very angry person. All that gets my hyped or any fan of GoW is the gameplay...magic, relics, weapons, new features/enemies/bosses, etc. I can't think of any that are looking at each trailer for story information as their top priority. Sure I look to piece the story together long before the game comes out and amend my thoughts as details emerge..but it is the revalation of new gameplay aspects that will forever be my top interest.

Even I would have liked the Great War video to have been in its complete form..then again. I'd rather have had the other 10 hours of the game put in but that would have made for another year of waiting. They filled that disc..there was too little room left to add more anyway.

That alone is proof enough to me that GoWIII needs to be on the PS3. I don't give a sh*t about the graphical upgrade..it'll be nice and all..but not my concern. It comes down to the immense amount of extra content they can fit in...the strength of the engine for MORE enemies at once...more types too...more enviromental interaction for combat. Just plain MOAR.

Realism isn't something either of us have much to showcase in our games to be frank.

Evan: I've watched nearly all off the Special Features disc..not to mention every interview/article released to the net. It is what I do.

Indeed..anti-heroes don't sit around crying about bullsh*t they shouldn't care about.

Their approach to bosses feels more like DMC then any other aspect of the game..of course ignoring the music and art 'style'. The environment is rarely a part of the way to defeat them if ever..and the button sequences of KHII don't really stand up to their inspiration of course..being that GoW has made so many variations of how to handle the mini-games..the newest one being "L1+R1" back and forth. Though there are other new ones. Hack and Slash wise..they do have similiar hits underneath the gore...but the handling of the combat is much differnet "under the hood"...grapples aside. I remember how they did the Hydra fight..that was just....bleh. It had such potential too. Although Disney's Hydra was sh*t to look at. You refer to the days of 2D Mortal Kombat then? I agree to the extent that the 3D games haven't lived up to their 2D counterparts success. Deception was easily their best continuation based instalement. Armageddon being among the worst..possibly tied with MK4 for being crap...even with the return and redone Rain. Simply aweful. I didn't even bother playing..their combat was just not any good. Perhaps if Virtua Fighter allowed them to use their engine then add weapons and fatalities..they would do alright..even then it would cheapen things.

Get used to seeing Ares spelled wrong (Aeries/Aries/Eris lol). I never thought I'd see Aerith and Ares switched though. Cloud had no reason to like that silly b*tch. She needed to die and Cloud needs to stop being so d*mn EMO about everything. Sephrioth needs to cut his hair and get a little more manly..he looks like b*tch. Or is that is strategy.. "Hey, guys..want a lap dance? I'm Sephie" *surprise butsecks KEKEKE*

Of course I've seen that interview..he FLED from Disney and their sh*tty titles..first movies then games..he RAN away. I thought it was BIZZARE that he had four arms..I guess it was the best way to distinguish him from the others since he really had no other defining attribute but strength. Typhon (thawed) is who I want to see in action. The beast that fathered the greatest monsters of all Greek Mythology..he needs to be apesh*t insane when we cross him again. He looks FAR too similiar to others...he is a very different Titan..sort of a Gigante/Titan combination...he is a son of Gaia with Tartarus vs the others being children of Gaia with Oranos (Uranus). Earth and Hell VS Earth and Sky. Everyone wanted MOAR Titanomachy (Titan War/Great War)

~i swear to Kratos almighty...they had better not EVER try and push out teaser trailers that DON'T use gameplay..that is all GoW fans really want to see. The story is something they wait for to play through...we look foward to trailers because we want more hints as to what we'll be killing/killing with this time around...Fun stuff amirite?

**The idea of having next to no skin on the creature itself (mostly muscle), especially the face, has a sort of Texan feel to it...the American image of a bull skull in a desert.**
true that

**Evan: I've watched nearly all off the Special Features disc..**
"nearly"? woz keepin ya?

**Their approach to bosses feels more like DMC then any other aspect of the game..**
who's approach to bosses? MK?

**Although Disney's Hydra was sh*t to look at. **
hey i liked their design! that's how i pictured any hydra ever since

**You refer to the days of 2D Mortal Kombat then? I agree to the extent that the 3D games haven't lived up to their 2D counterparts success.**
there u go. they're soooo outta ideas gameplay and story wise

**Sephrioth needs to cut his hair and get a little more manly..**
ROFLMAO LULZ BEST JOKE I HEARD FOR A WHILE!

**I thought it was BIZZARE that he had four arms**
cory or atlas? lol j/k
but u don't get it; i wasn talking about those innocent eyes and the "jim-carrey-chin"..i dunno, he just seems like the odd one out when u stick him to gaia, typhon and kronos. (who can be considered as the best opppisite to him in loox)

**they had better not EVER try and push out teaser trailers that DON'T use gameplay..that is all GoW fans really want to see**
~truth

**Fun stuff amirite?**
"Right" with a capital R

"Yahya: I'm having trouble understanding you when you speak of Mythology. The Phoenix concept is widely recognized across the planet. Greek Mythology didn't have a single tail that covered the creature but they did recognize it."
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It nothing I just, long story short, didn't expect the Phoenix to be in a GOW world before coz am used to see it in the SE or FF games which a based on the anthology.

Yes for GOW of war fans such as you and Evan, do like the gameplay most in GOW, while most other don't.

Thats you see people going around saying about GOW II, that its the same thing there saying to Zelds TP(it did the same thing when they showed the 1st trailer) its the same game, which just a stupid excuse people started to invent thinking they have a point there, but truly they forgot what gaming is all about.

But when people see the story they start going " hey even if its the same thing, there are new things happing in that game", so people end up liking the game more, in other words GOW wont be as loved as KH if it doesn't concentrates more on the story.

About MK I don't know what brought it up to the topics but as a MK fan I still think MKA is just a game made for us, it even good they tried to fit a story there, but as far as I know it was more like fight with any character you wanted to fight with before in one game, and I think MK belongs more on the systems than the arcades, and for someone who played the game for almost and hour and half then was surprised since he didn't feel the time go by that fast going around calling the game garbage, am I right Evan? ; ) ha.

and I would kill them if they ever copy something as bad and useless as VF series, that series has nothing but VS to show, and the gamepla y isn't that interesting(this is coming form a huge fighting game fan 3D &2D, I got my collection to prove it)

Aerith lol my bad, from some reason though I intended to put here name I ended up putting Ares lol , the only reason I wanted to show you the anime was coz you see seproith as a gay character, yet he acts nothing like it, seproith is like one of these evil boss characters who you go thats a first, I didn't see anyone like him before, anyway I put a line under it coz it was out of our topic, just something to show nothing to discuss.

anyway were wasting too much time going around in circles which always goes no where, lust just end it here as it is, see I could go saying lets end it here by the Fact most people care for story also but thats not going no where.

Anyway Evan I am going to start on the Extra DVD for GOW II and them I'll use gameshark to unlock the interviews if they need to be unlocked.

as for KH II FM man Evan don't choose Critical mod, its not that its harder than GOW II its just more frustrating, like when you make one mistake in GOW you still got health left, no here one mistake 1/2 of your heath is gone, I actually was forced to use block to stay alive, I died about 5 times in the first fight when Leaon/Squall is with you, remember when we wanted the FF characters to join the fight, well you kinda feel here, I mean I didn't get to level up Sora as much and they put me in an annoying battle where the camera ends up the one killing you, where you feel your completely useless and he is doing everything for you, well I beat it by letting Leon take care of those annoying samurai nobodys(one combos take 1/2 of you hp) Disney ha, weird how GOW crater was originally from Disney, maybe if Disney ever invites him to join one last game and that would be KH what would he say I wonder("I would like to add Kratos as a boss" lol)
picture it Disney's Hrc against VS Kratos lol that would be awesome. Hrc: you can't beat a true Hero.
Kratos: Hey thats not funny that can't be the father of us Spartans, I kill you for this. lol

Evan: I don't yet feel bored enough to watch their Halloween party.

Kingdom Heart's boss encounters. KHII to a lesser extent. They feel more like a Disney style middleground to DMC and GoW.

Their Hydra was a goophy take (purple lol) on that used by the Legend of Hercules TV series I used to watch as a kid. A poor take on it. Then again my scale is on how viscious things look while retaining the qualities they had in Greek Myth.

They brought in Create-A-Character too late in MK's cycle. I lost interest in the series (playing the games anyway)..they just aren't appealing..even for rentals.

Sephiroth has serious gender issues..it wouldn't be such a noticable problem if it weren't for his fan base being g*y as all hell. Fangirls..

LOL Atlas was a strange one.

Yahya: Games like MK can't sustain my interest for more then 5 days. I can play them for hours on end during that time (5-9 hours) but get burnt out on them where I simply refused to burn out with Budokai 3 which lasted 2 years for me with an average of 5 hours of gameplay throughout that time. (there were days where I didn't play which lowered the average)

Barlog said it best concerning the direction GoWII goes with..basically they did what LotR did...which was to NOT add crazy sh*t everywhere. When I went to see "Two Towers" I wasn't going in expecting Aliens, Robots, Tanks, Hydrogen Bombs, Dinosaurs, etc. I was just looking for basically more of the same 'cast' and setting "feel" while getting a 'new' experience. For gameplay they just built from what they had. Some of the things taken out angered Evan and myself..but we can work through that. Some of the additions are just pretty, while others are INCREDIBLY nice touches..not game changing but they definately are welcome. The feel of the first was great..I just looked for improvement on it. DMC1 to DMC2=TERRIBLE handling. Not every game needs to RE3 to RE4 drastic change..this is simply not desirable in GoW by any fans of the first.

VF is a game where button mashing gets you nowhere. I don't care for the characters so I have no interest in learning any of them. If the MK cast where to even be subbed into their place with a "small" amount of their trademark specials..then mayble the series would have a chance at being a 3D fighting contender. It just looks far too sloppy..even when pros play it..ugly animation work and rediculous use of blood to make it "funny gore"...I don't like how the feel of the series has changed over the years to being a bad joke.

The apperance of Sephiroth is the easiest thing to attack. A troll manuever that always amuses me. It is easy to make fun of characters no matter how "bada**" they are. I know what Sephiroth is about. In feel he is a more insane Sesshomuru with less "g*y" surrounding him..slightly less. It is his physical features that catches flack..making him an easy target to roast.

None of the Special Features disc requires unlocking.

~In GoWII Titan Mode NUR..the game barely ever forgives..In a General Kratos: Titan Mode: No Update Run (GK:TM:NUR) the game barely knows the meaning of forgiveness

2 YAHYA:
**and for someone who played the game for almost and hour and half then was surprised since he didn't feel the time go by that fast going around calling the game garbage, am I right Evan? ; ) ha**
OMG us still hold this point!??! man 4 the last time; the only thing i enjoyed thru out the whole experience is making fun of the game with you! that's what made me feel that time run out so soon!

**Anyway Evan I am going to start on the Extra DVD for GOW II and them I'll use gameshark to unlock the interviews if they need to be unlocked**
cool, but won't that reveal spoilers?

**as for KH II FM man Evan don't choose Critical mod, its not that its harder than GOW II its just more frustrating......**
that's it; i WILL play on critical mode! i'm not the kinda guy who gets jealous easily but when it comes to my favourite subjects, i like to be "the best in what i do" if u know what i mean.

**Kratos: Hey thats not funny that can't be the father of us Spartans, I kill you for this.**
LULZ omg that's rich! LOL

2 GMG: plz ask your brother how many times he beat riku (combat) in destiny island in the first KH on "expert" mode.

at first i thought it was a cool idea, with the fact that yahay sez we can create "anybody" with their system, but even if we could (which i found difficult) it would be a disgrace controling your fav character with he MK fighting system.

**I simply refused to burn out with Budokai 3 which lasted 2 years for me**
awesome game i'll say. and that's coming from a DBZ hater

**Not every game needs to RE3 to RE4 drastic change..this is simply not desirable in GoW by any fans of the first.**
HOWEVER; i'm looking forward for some major enhanments (almost changes) in PS3's GOWIII. i mean, GOW and GOWII are the PS2's breakthru, then the PS3 should ahve it's own breakthru as well, amirite?

**...I don't like how the feel of the series has changed over the years to being a bad joke.**
the guy actually whacks his opponent to death with a bunny! or was it a mombo chicken?

PS 2 YAHYA: i just finsihed talking to u on phone, so don't get puzzled from some of my questions up there.

PS 2 GMG: remmeber plz to ask you're brother my question about riku

Evan: My brother is a fool. He plays games (badly) in a slow steady pace on NORMAL. He isn't like me.

MK's 3D fighting system burns out quick. The depth in it is just so crappy that I don't want to bother. Looking at UBER combos isn't even impressive most of the time.

Budokai 3 held its own quite well. I felt part 1 was way underdeveloped. Part 2 felt like a legitimate first start. Part 3 felt like a true sequel. Tenkaichi made me sick...I had been waiting for Budokai 4..not some spin off 3D, flying around pointlessly BS game. All I really want in a Budokai game now..is for what Shin Budokai (PSP) and Budokai 3 had going for them...to merge in a new title with the best characters (the crap can just STFU and GTFO). All it needs..to complete my years of dedication (a decade or more)..is create-a-fighter with at least Smackdown! VS RAW quality in the system. Then I can rest easy..as a bonus they could allow for some customization of moves but no much. Online for kiddies that like that sort of thing.

Enhancements are another matter entirely..VS changes anyway.

~There is no point in asking Johnny that question..I KNOW he hasn't even tried Expert..he didn't even try God Mode for GoW1. He started on Normal in GoWII and is content with having beat that. It is because he refuses to go to higher difficulties that I can indulge in my jokes about the game with him. He wouldn't know any better..he's never had to be good at the game..or really know any finesse (skill/style play).
---As far as he knows the game really is only about pressing "X"

**Evan: My brother is a fool. He plays games (badly) in a slow steady pace on NORMAL. He isn't like me.**
what a pity. well did he even beat riku at all? he's kinda like an optional battle in case you're wondering

**MK's 3D fighting system burns out quick. The depth in it is just so crappy that I don't want to bother. Looking at UBER combos isn't even impressive most of the time.**
here's MK: "skip the story, skip the style, skip the gameplay, skip the sanity, and jump right in to the gore and blood! yeaaaaaaah we rock!" *rolls eyes*

**Budokai 3 held its own quite well. I felt part 1 was way underdeveloped. Part 2 felt like a legitimate first start. Part 3 felt like a true sequel. Tenkaichi made me sick...**
luckily i played nothing BUT budokai 3. yahya did well to convince me into the game, along with a couple of naruto games as well.

**Enhancements are another matter entirely..VS changes anyway**
u don't get it; i mean like whole new combos, a whole new swing the blades, a better interactivity with our inviroment (like POP ww did)
etc

**---As far as he knows the game really is only about pressing "X"**
lol

So you think the hydra boss battle is a real fight, did you see any of the organization members fights, I mean these are like the best boss fights in the gaming world

"As far as he knows the game really is only about"
Yes all am doing in critical mode is pressing ( X ) will let me win these battle:

Roxis fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-80quNNOcFc:

Saix fight( my 2nd favorite boss battle):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-VYu1XknU

Evan see what critical is about, in Saix fight the guy was using the ultimate fourm and was still running away and look at the heath bar coz thats your max and the guy was fighting him at the max level as you can see he barely has time to do anything.

Ohem who liked the Idea in Create a character in MKA ha Evan, who helped me crate the prince, and BTW I found someone on the net long time ago done a perfect Kratos in MKA, all that was missing were the blades, but the guy endded up giving him the huge sword on like GOW, and "skip the story, skip the style, skip the gameplay, skip the sanity"

I think your mistaken other than gameplay that VF series, and MKA sikped the story why did I bother playing a mode called quest mode that wasn't as bad as MKD, coz as far as I know thats the main story of the game, don't you think the only thing I didn't like about MKA lack of mini games, no good endings(at least show pics), the new crate a factuality sucks thats all, and like it or not MKA is successful.

man DBZ B3 bring back good memorizes, until my friend liked NAruto H3 we didn't touch D3 ever since, sucks coz am the only one knows how to play it and can't find a good match.

oh yea Evan don't forget to get on the Hydras back ok lol.

**So you think the hydra boss battle is a real fight, did you see any of the organization members fights, I mean these are like the best boss fights in the gaming world**
he's got a poin gmg, those guys are designed to WIN

**who liked the Idea in Create a character in MKA ha Evan, who helped me crate the prince, **
mickey mouse

**Roxis fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-80quNNOcFc:**
there's something wrong in the link i geuss

**and like it or not MKA is successful.**
we've been thru this; sales proove nothing

**oh yea Evan don't forget to get on the Hydras back ok lol.**
lol remember that yo-gi-oh abridged episode? LULZ

btw i hated D3

**Saix fight( my 2nd favorite boss battle):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2-VYu1XknU**

not done with the vid yet but i will say that the health is....shocking, as for th boss; come on man i thought he'd be tougher than that! i mean just look how fast his health bar drops!

48 seconds past the vid; i changed my mind on how easy i thought he was