Friday, Apr 27, 2007
Lets put this in perspective.
Of the three console manufacturers, which one has been consistent with FREE backward compatibility?
Sony... (PS1 - PS2) of the hundreds of thousands titles in its library, only 2 - 4 thousand were unplayable due to peripheral s and special play mechanics.
If at most Microsoft having 30+ million Xbox Live users (xbox & xbox 360) how many Sony Playstation users have been online? of 100 million PS2 owners its much more then both Nintendo or Microsoft. And for free to boot.
How can the PS3 have failed?! Its only been 6 months! Have you seen the lineup of titles leading to 2008?
LittleBigPlanet in 1/1/08
Metal Gear Solid 4
LAIR
Ninja Gaiden Sigma (played the demo this morning
)
Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Home
Eye Toy
And this doesn't include the multi platform titles. This fall will be extremely good for the PSP, PS2, and PS3....oh wait thats my other point I guess.
If you look at Sony like Nintendo, everything is reverse. The consoles are two tier and the handheld is single tier. meaning the GBA and the PS2 won't fade anytime soon and the DS and PS3 get all the cool projects. The two consoles the developers are having problems with developing for are the PSP and Wii. But no worries the Wii will get the PS2 and PSP dev half baked spill overs.
This being said... the PS2 is still in the game. Look at the NPD sales God of War owned. Other gaming hardware can only wish to get a taste of that market share. As long as games are still being announced for it there will be amazing sales figures for that console. The PS3 is the little brother who has yet to learn the ropes. Sony so far has kept the pacing between titles really good. The Xbox 360 is going to have a tough fall. Halo 3, Mass Effect, and other top titles are slated for a release around the same time as GTA4 and thats not good. Titles will get lost and get poor sales. Why devs. are afraid of a summer release is beyond me. New Super Mario Bros. and Tekken Dark Resurrection had very good sales for that period.
A lot of the response the PS3 is getting is reactionary. If things go as planned Sony will be ahead in 2009.
Think about it. All the Sony first parties are hard at work at next gen versions of successful old titles and new ones.
Gran Turismo 5
Wipeout
Motorstorm 2
Resistence Fall of Man 2
Uncharted
SOCOM 4
MLB, NHL, World Tour Soccer, and NBA 07
Rachet and Clank (surprisingly Insomniacs second title in such a short turn around)
Killzone
Take that into consideration and the other companies seem to be standing still. The only failure Sony is guilty of is being too popular thereby bring uncalled for hate to itself.
Of the three console manufacturers, which one has been consistent with FREE backward compatibility?
Sony... (PS1 - PS2) of the hundreds of thousands titles in its library, only 2 - 4 thousand were unplayable due to peripheral s and special play mechanics.
If at most Microsoft having 30+ million Xbox Live users (xbox & xbox 360) how many Sony Playstation users have been online? of 100 million PS2 owners its much more then both Nintendo or Microsoft. And for free to boot.
How can the PS3 have failed?! Its only been 6 months! Have you seen the lineup of titles leading to 2008?
LittleBigPlanet in 1/1/08
Metal Gear Solid 4
LAIR
Ninja Gaiden Sigma (played the demo this morning
)Heavenly Sword
Warhawk
Home
Eye Toy
And this doesn't include the multi platform titles. This fall will be extremely good for the PSP, PS2, and PS3....oh wait thats my other point I guess.
If you look at Sony like Nintendo, everything is reverse. The consoles are two tier and the handheld is single tier. meaning the GBA and the PS2 won't fade anytime soon and the DS and PS3 get all the cool projects. The two consoles the developers are having problems with developing for are the PSP and Wii. But no worries the Wii will get the PS2 and PSP dev half baked spill overs.
This being said... the PS2 is still in the game. Look at the NPD sales God of War owned. Other gaming hardware can only wish to get a taste of that market share. As long as games are still being announced for it there will be amazing sales figures for that console. The PS3 is the little brother who has yet to learn the ropes. Sony so far has kept the pacing between titles really good. The Xbox 360 is going to have a tough fall. Halo 3, Mass Effect, and other top titles are slated for a release around the same time as GTA4 and thats not good. Titles will get lost and get poor sales. Why devs. are afraid of a summer release is beyond me. New Super Mario Bros. and Tekken Dark Resurrection had very good sales for that period.
A lot of the response the PS3 is getting is reactionary. If things go as planned Sony will be ahead in 2009.
Think about it. All the Sony first parties are hard at work at next gen versions of successful old titles and new ones.
Gran Turismo 5
Wipeout
Motorstorm 2
Resistence Fall of Man 2
Uncharted
SOCOM 4
MLB, NHL, World Tour Soccer, and NBA 07
Rachet and Clank (surprisingly Insomniacs second title in such a short turn around)
Killzone
Take that into consideration and the other companies seem to be standing still. The only failure Sony is guilty of is being too popular thereby bring uncalled for hate to itself.
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Posted Apr 30, 2007 10:57 am PT
Motorstorm was a disappointment - only eight tracks, and limited replay value, in a modern racing title? That's not going to fly.
Insomniac is *the* most important developer on the PS3 right now, next to Konami and Square - however I don't think your list really shows the titles that will appeal to me on the PS3:
-Final Fantasy XIII
-Final Fatnasy Versus XIII
-Twisted Metal (unannounced)
-Killzone 2 (maybe)
Games like Ratchet & Clank 3, MGS4, and God of War 3 are pretty important releases.
However I think you've missed my point - at $600 (since they took the $500 model off the market) the PS3 is simply in a poor position to dominate the market the way the PS2 did. Ultimately it was that PS2 market dominance that made it *the* system to own - it has so many games.
My post is about how Howard Stringer ultimately screwed Sony (and its fans) by failing to get manufacturing costs / delays under control - not about how the PS3 is a bad system. The Neo Geo wasn't a bad system either - it had some *amazing* graphics for the time, and was a favorite of arcade gaming enthusiasts. Ultimately, the Neo Geo never fell to a reasonable price by the end of the generation, and when newer consoles aimed at the next-generation of graphics hit the market, it was finally defeated.
The PS3 is not quite in the same situation ($60 PS3 games vs. $200 Neo Geo games makes a big difference) but it's important to note that without the low price or the market dominance that the Playstation enjoyed in the previous two generations, the PS3 will not become number one again.
We may have to concede that position to the Wii, and live with the PS3 and Xbox 360 becoming one platform in the eyes of developers. If it makes you feel any better, $400 isn't much better when it comes to dominating the market - all the more reason both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are going to be similar platforms when it comes to some games.
I prefer the 360 exclusives, and I'll be picking up a 360 when I have the opportunity - the PS3 isn't a bad system - they just made some bad choices in the design and manufacturing. We'll see where things go from here.
Insomniac is *the* most important developer on the PS3 right now, next to Konami and Square - however I don't think your list really shows the titles that will appeal to me on the PS3:
-Final Fantasy XIII
-Final Fatnasy Versus XIII
-Twisted Metal (unannounced)
-Killzone 2 (maybe)
Games like Ratchet & Clank 3, MGS4, and God of War 3 are pretty important releases.
However I think you've missed my point - at $600 (since they took the $500 model off the market) the PS3 is simply in a poor position to dominate the market the way the PS2 did. Ultimately it was that PS2 market dominance that made it *the* system to own - it has so many games.
My post is about how Howard Stringer ultimately screwed Sony (and its fans) by failing to get manufacturing costs / delays under control - not about how the PS3 is a bad system. The Neo Geo wasn't a bad system either - it had some *amazing* graphics for the time, and was a favorite of arcade gaming enthusiasts. Ultimately, the Neo Geo never fell to a reasonable price by the end of the generation, and when newer consoles aimed at the next-generation of graphics hit the market, it was finally defeated.
The PS3 is not quite in the same situation ($60 PS3 games vs. $200 Neo Geo games makes a big difference) but it's important to note that without the low price or the market dominance that the Playstation enjoyed in the previous two generations, the PS3 will not become number one again.
We may have to concede that position to the Wii, and live with the PS3 and Xbox 360 becoming one platform in the eyes of developers. If it makes you feel any better, $400 isn't much better when it comes to dominating the market - all the more reason both the PS3 and the Xbox 360 are going to be similar platforms when it comes to some games.
I prefer the 360 exclusives, and I'll be picking up a 360 when I have the opportunity - the PS3 isn't a bad system - they just made some bad choices in the design and manufacturing. We'll see where things go from here.
Posted Apr 30, 2007 12:35 pm PT
Neo Geo games were 250 a pop. I bought quite a few in my time. The Wii will slowly fade off. There is no exclusive killer app for it. Zelda? No. That was a GC title before it was a Wii title. The no. 1 console this year will be the same as last year. The PS2 is a tour de force that Nintendo and Microsoft can't deal with. As long as the Wii gets PS2 ports the PS2 and PSP will sell. Nintendo does not care about gaming like they used to. As long as they can put out sub par product out people will buy it. Mario Sunshine is not much different from Mario 64 and I'm guessing Galaxy would be the same. This formula is the same for Zelda, Metroid, and Pokemon. Nintendo is about making money. period. If they don't have to, then they won't do it. Ask yourself of all the wrong things about Nintendo why is no one complaining. Got a DS crack.. ahhh its not THAT bad... live with it. Microsoft will nickel and dime to death. I have xboxlive and to me its basically a charge to activate you NIC card and to me as an old school PC gamer thats not cool.
Posted May 1, 2007 9:10 am PT
Until you're into Xbox LIVE, you won't understand what a community it is. In many ways it's superior to online gaming on a PC. I'm not expecting that to be understood, as for the old caste of PC gamers, that's a blasphemous statement.
I wouldn't be so quick to expect the Wii to go away, I dislike the little bugger, but it's not going to disappear. Has Nintendo showed a zest for pushing gaming with the DS? Games like Brain Age only sold *more* systems, not less. If Nintendo sells 50 million systems by selling them to eight year old little girls instead of hardcore gamers, what difference does it make?
None of this changes that rules of the game (microeconomics). At a certain point, it's not about demonstrating that your $600 console is better - we all know a Porsche 911 is a better car than a Honda Civic, yet which car is more popular? Sony needs to get the price of their system under control - if they could simply bring it in line with the price of the 360, more of the PS2 audience Sony is still clinging to could make the leap, and a lot of the hardcore fanbase (gamers such as myself) would see our way to having a PS3 and an Xbox 360.
I wouldn't be so quick to expect the Wii to go away, I dislike the little bugger, but it's not going to disappear. Has Nintendo showed a zest for pushing gaming with the DS? Games like Brain Age only sold *more* systems, not less. If Nintendo sells 50 million systems by selling them to eight year old little girls instead of hardcore gamers, what difference does it make?
None of this changes that rules of the game (microeconomics). At a certain point, it's not about demonstrating that your $600 console is better - we all know a Porsche 911 is a better car than a Honda Civic, yet which car is more popular? Sony needs to get the price of their system under control - if they could simply bring it in line with the price of the 360, more of the PS2 audience Sony is still clinging to could make the leap, and a lot of the hardcore fanbase (gamers such as myself) would see our way to having a PS3 and an Xbox 360.
Posted May 1, 2007 10:53 am PT
Wait... I did say I HAVE Xbox Live. There is nothing Live offers PC gamers that they don't already have. Lets look at the list. The ones with the "*" are common to both PC and Live.
* Buddy list - free
* Messaging (video/audio) - free
* DLC (actually PCs get way more stuff for free)
* Maket Place (Pop Cap games) - free/paid General Lobby System (Gamespy, Xfire) Free Gaming (Live Silver was a reaction by Microsoft to increase Live numbers)
Dedicated Servers (Live is peer-to-peer)
Purchase stuff with real money
I mean really... PC gamers have no need for LIVE at all. If you listen to videogame podcast, on the 4/6/06 podcast of 1UP Yours, Tim Sweeney and Mark Rein of Epic games talked about how Microsoft told Epic they COULD NOT give away the new Gears of War maps. They said Epic NEEDS to put a price on it. Now fast forward to Major Nelson's podcast he says "Microsoft does not set the price for marketplace content. That is up to the developers." This was said after the whole GHII DLC fiasco. Now wait a minute didn't Microsoft just put a price on the Gears content by saying Epic couldn't put it in the Live Marketplace for free? LIVE for Windows is the biggest barrier of entry for PC game developers because there is nothing there that they can't provide themselves. Nintendo making money? Not a problem. Nintendo making money without backing it up with lasting value. Problem.
What was the best Gamecube game? Resident Evil 4... a multiplatform title.
Microsoft and Sony both realize the importance of new first party IPs. The only new first party title Nintendo has that anyone is looking forward to is Mario Striker. Take a look at the Wii release calendar and there is nothing to really look forward to. The most hilarious fact of this was when IGN's weekly podcast called Wii-k in review open with "We have nothing to report really... There is nothing coming out."
Actually people will finance their way to get a Porsche. People will do what they want to GET what they want regardless of the price. Trying to put a rationale on it is economy reacting to trends it can't predict. The price of the PS3 will remain the same until this holiday... maybe. but I seriously doubt it would be changed or be as low as most people would want.
* Buddy list - free
* Messaging (video/audio) - free
* DLC (actually PCs get way more stuff for free)
* Maket Place (Pop Cap games) - free/paid General Lobby System (Gamespy, Xfire) Free Gaming (Live Silver was a reaction by Microsoft to increase Live numbers)
Dedicated Servers (Live is peer-to-peer)
Purchase stuff with real money
I mean really... PC gamers have no need for LIVE at all. If you listen to videogame podcast, on the 4/6/06 podcast of 1UP Yours, Tim Sweeney and Mark Rein of Epic games talked about how Microsoft told Epic they COULD NOT give away the new Gears of War maps. They said Epic NEEDS to put a price on it. Now fast forward to Major Nelson's podcast he says "Microsoft does not set the price for marketplace content. That is up to the developers." This was said after the whole GHII DLC fiasco. Now wait a minute didn't Microsoft just put a price on the Gears content by saying Epic couldn't put it in the Live Marketplace for free? LIVE for Windows is the biggest barrier of entry for PC game developers because there is nothing there that they can't provide themselves. Nintendo making money? Not a problem. Nintendo making money without backing it up with lasting value. Problem.
What was the best Gamecube game? Resident Evil 4... a multiplatform title.
Microsoft and Sony both realize the importance of new first party IPs. The only new first party title Nintendo has that anyone is looking forward to is Mario Striker. Take a look at the Wii release calendar and there is nothing to really look forward to. The most hilarious fact of this was when IGN's weekly podcast called Wii-k in review open with "We have nothing to report really... There is nothing coming out."
Actually people will finance their way to get a Porsche. People will do what they want to GET what they want regardless of the price. Trying to put a rationale on it is economy reacting to trends it can't predict. The price of the PS3 will remain the same until this holiday... maybe. but I seriously doubt it would be changed or be as low as most people would want.
Posted May 1, 2007 8:00 pm PT
Live superior to PC online!? Wow. You are way off base. PC gamers have a vastly larger amount of options, many of which are free. Also the PC gaming community is also much larger. The average PC game also has a larger and longer lasting online community than the average console game. If you need examples: Diablo, Diablo 2, Counter-Strike, Quake, Quake 3, World of Warcraft, Silkroad Online, Guild Wars, Starcraft and the list keeps going.
Posted May 2, 2007 10:25 am PT
Resident Evil 4 was not the best Gamecube title - it was the most graphically impressive, but that's not the same thing. That's like saying "Supreme Commander > Starcraft because it has better graphics"
Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Prime are far better games than Resident Evil 4.
Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, and Metroid Prime are far better games than Resident Evil 4.
Posted May 3, 2007 9:36 pm PT
Those may be better titles, in their own regard, but RE4 sold more Game Cubes than any of those games if memory serves me correct. I remember people saying that they will buy a Game Cube just to play RE4. This was due in part to the fact that RE4 was a good game and the fact that at the time of the release the Game Cube was dirt cheap.
Posted May 4, 2007 8:19 am PT
Metroid Prime was great but over the chasm titles and a not so good sequel Resident Evil 4 for the GC was and still is the best version and for it to start on the GC then later go to the PS2 is a testament. Metroid is like Doom while RE4 was like Gears of War. Even on the developers level many developers still talk about it as a game to emulate. I don't think the same could be said for Metroid.
Posted May 4, 2007 1:11 pm PT
I still want to get RE4 for PC. I had played it on the GC awhile back and was addicted. I still have not finished that game.
Posted May 7, 2007 10:55 am PT
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