Friday, Oct 7, 2005
Unless you have a severe case of tunnel-vision, you might have noticed this place looks nothing like it did when you last visited. As a four-year reader of GameSpot, I always look forward to these re-designs with a degree of optimism. They are always met with criticism and doubts at the beginning, but within a few months, we all forget the redesign happened and enjoy the new GameSpot as if it was the only one that existed. This, however, is the first time in my tenure that both the main site and the forums underwent such a dramatic change, and I think it will be a change for the better.
As you all know, more than a year ago GameSpot dropped Lithium as its forum technology provider in favor of the "flexiforums", an in-house design which was based upon the newly acquired GameFAQs community. When these forums were adopted, nearly everyone claimed it to be the "end" of the community, the "end" of things as we liked it. The whole uproar lasted maybe a month, and then we all went on using the forums as if the change had never happened.
From GameSpot's perspective, that change was really needed. Lithium was too limited of customization options, and because it was all controlled seperately, outside of GameSpot, there was no real way to integrate the main site and the forums together. The new forums allowed them to introduce journals, collection and wish lists, a better rating and reader review system, unions, and all that cool stuff that we could never even hope to see on Lthium. Yes, it took time to perfect, but in the end, our community, and GameSpot, was better and more feature-rich for it.
So, here we are, once again on the brink of another dramatic GameSpot change. And, once again, many people are skeptical. Once more, everyone asks me why I don't jump aboard the "this sucks" bandwagon. Don't get me wrong: as readers and customers of GameSpot, you have a perfect right to have doubts. But, some people are taking it to a different degree, some even saying that they will be leaving GameSpot's community. Though this is unfortunate, its not entirely GameSpot's fault. GameSpot has to change to improve, and I don't think they are changing to drive people away -- they are changing with your interests in mind. And no, GameSpot is not going to settle for slow, bug-ridden forums. They will be fixed. But, some people don't want to wait, and would rather GameSpot not "fix what's not broken".
If nobody ever fixed what wasn't "broken", we'd all still be travelling by horseback.
Look at all the new benefits we got from the last change -- I imagine that this new system will be even more flexible for GameSpot, and allow them to bring on even more new features for the community. Imagine if GameSpot had been talked out of their last major forum change: we'd still be on basic, ugly old Lithium. Incomfort is to be expected right now; its human nature to resist change, but its no reason to assume GameSpot is better off not changing. They just need to perfect the base right now, and fix all the bugs. Just hang tight. I don't think GameSpot will let you down.
Posted by TheRagingGamer, 4:30pm
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Posted Oct 7, 2005 4:53 pm PT
Pretty much summed up my opinion on the matter.
There were some people who were clearly over reacting but I can't blame them, it's human nature.
Since the forums were down for [what seemed like] such a long time, I was able to explore the new layout and, needless to say, I'm quite impressed. The nay-sayers will stop bickering after awhile.
Posted Oct 7, 2005 5:12 pm PT
I think this change just gives the people who like to complain something to complain about. Yes there are a lot of changes, but nothing that won't get easier to use with time. I think people are more frustrated with the time it was down then what the changes are.
I think it's just going to take some time to get usd to...it looks pretty good at the moment, just going to take some time to explore and see how things work and where things are.
I'm sure it will go over well...
I think it's just going to take some time to get usd to...it looks pretty good at the moment, just going to take some time to explore and see how things work and where things are.
I'm sure it will go over well...
Posted Oct 7, 2005 6:49 pm PT
I think the ability to track game updates and such is better. My only complaint is that the journal system seems lacking in ease of use. Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but only time will tell.
Posted Oct 13, 2005 8:13 am PT
I think the new design and functionality of the forums is terrible, personally. A scroll bar in a scroll bar, genius. Especially one that doesn't work with a mouse wheel and adds itself to any post with a single tacked on quote. It's one thing to cut down the quote trees that are a serious nuissance, but butchering the entire look to any thread? I do not like it, at all.
Posted Oct 14, 2005 6:37 pm PT
TRG Wrote:
From GameSpot's perspective, that change was really needed. Lithium was too limited of customization options, and because it was all controlled seperately, outside of GameSpot, there was no real way to integrate the main site and the forums together. The new forums allowed them to introduce journals, collection and wish lists, a better rating and reader review system, unions, and all that cool stuff that we could never even hope to see on Lthium. Yes, it took time to perfect, but in the end, our community, and GameSpot, was better and more feature-rich for it.
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Not exactly true there TRG, ever heard of 1up.com? Their site has tons of features that are quite comparable to GS's, including Clubs, Blogs, and other tools, they have many features I'd like GS to adapt anyways.
Guess what technology they use? Lithium. Lithium has expanded incredibly in the last few years. They now offer Content Management System software, Activeware so that sites can create custom content that is powered by Lithium, among many other things. The tech is there in Lithium, I'm not seeing it here at Gamespot.
It's not just the features though that I am mad about. It's the total lack of thought into the design of the site. Phreak64 made some wonderful comments on the blatant misuse of style in the new design. Basing the whole site on the 800x600 style seems absurd. I know GS tracks many features, however I highly doubt they have access to a feature that shows them what resolution users use. Shrinking the whole site makes little to no sense to most of us out there.
*sigh* Oh well, I will eventually get used to it, not because I will like the site, but only because some of its users refuse to go elsewhere to have a community.
Posted Oct 14, 2005 8:02 pm PT
You thought Lithium was ugly? Lithium on Ice was sweet as sugar. These new boards look like a newspaper, complete washed out of all color.
Posted Oct 14, 2005 8:14 pm PT
HAL,
perhaps Lithium has improved -- however thats quite irrelevant to this discussion, seeing as how GameSpot has already discontinued their service. I can't blame them, either, because I remember there were many times we really needed them to fix something, and it was damn near impossible to get them to do anything at all with our requests -- even urgent technical ones.
perhaps Lithium has improved -- however thats quite irrelevant to this discussion, seeing as how GameSpot has already discontinued their service. I can't blame them, either, because I remember there were many times we really needed them to fix something, and it was damn near impossible to get them to do anything at all with our requests -- even urgent technical ones.
Posted Oct 16, 2005 6:18 am PT
If its anything like the quote they threw at systemwars.com I'd imagine cost was the biggest issue. We considered switching to them, but the cost was insane for even a forum our size.
That would make even more since when you consider they did it before E3, the most trafficed time of the site. The bandwith costs using Lithium would kill them.
That would make even more since when you consider they did it before E3, the most trafficed time of the site. The bandwith costs using Lithium would kill them.
Posted Oct 16, 2005 3:13 pm PT
Perhaps if Lithium actually did the things they continually promised GS and even the mods, GS and CNET would pick up the expensive bill from Lithium, but when you can create your own forums and do everything you want to with them with no middle man, why not?
Theres definitely some growing pains here. The current forums need some work -- no doubt. I'm just not one to automatically disqualify them and assume GS would be better off "going back the way they were"
Theres definitely some growing pains here. The current forums need some work -- no doubt. I'm just not one to automatically disqualify them and assume GS would be better off "going back the way they were"
Posted Oct 16, 2005 5:51 pm PT
Yeah I hear ya, I just wish Gamespot hired a few more tech guys to work on this. I mean when we upgraded our forums, we tested it on a private server, then made the switch. We had a period of about an hour where we had to do some adjusting but it worked fine after that.
I just don't know about GS sometimes, many things they do great, but other ways it seems they're defintely just getting their feet wet in them.
I just don't know about GS sometimes, many things they do great, but other ways it seems they're defintely just getting their feet wet in them.
Posted Oct 17, 2005 10:10 pm PT
I should point out, though, that unlike most website's changing of forums, GameSpot attempted (successfully) to maintain all posts, stats, registration information, and other things such as blogs, which were designed for a different system, and keep them in the new system. This is a huge undertaking for a site the size of GameSpot. Yes, there were unexpected problems. But, some server issues can only be fixed when the things are actually live. I doubt your site's forum had thousands of members and well over a million messages.
Posted Oct 18, 2005 1:31 pm PT
Close, 1,200 members, and 600,000 posts.
Posted Oct 19, 2005 1:43 am PT
Yerbs, come on, be realistic. It's ok to call these guys out when they screw up, they aren't infallible. They screwed up, plain and simple. The forums are now more cumbersome then before, they have the same features but at less than half the ease of use and overall appeal they had. For what? Profile banners? Nothing they have planned couldn't have been tacked onto the other more refined forums. We could have continued to see improvements in the forums without completely resetting back to the stoneage. That's like saying your going to blow up and then rebuild your car so you can add a cup holder, it's insane, and uncalled for.
Posted Oct 28, 2005 11:00 am PT
I still feel that the new GS is worse than the old ones. I mean, now I can't add a game to my collection without having to add it first to my tracked game. So I then have to go in tracked games and delete the game that got added without my consent. Or now instead of sending friend invitations you have this convoluted 'tracking user' system where you become instant friends if both persons are tracking each other or something like that. Bleh.
Posted Oct 30, 2005 5:49 pm PT
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Medic
Am I angry at the new look? Yes.
Do I think that the rest of the Gamespot site looks great? Yes. It looks fantastic but some features they plain do not want to resolve. They want to cater to people with crappy screen resolutions and poor internet.
Gee, glad I have cable and a decent resolution. The avatars look horrible and the site looks bunched together. The forums flat out look bad, and that's the general consensus.
I don't like being negative about it either.
I love Gamespot and use the site everyday, but that doesn't change the fact that at the moment I'm not happy with the forums or the amount of time it's taking to get them back up.
The good? The team I'm sure is working hard just like all the Gamespot employees I talk to. Gamespot has some great people and I know they're going to try their best, but from this point it looks like they have a ways to go.
- Medic