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Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009

Oh no, it's one of those.

When I set out on this grand undertaking I set out to compare the games of yesteryears to the releases of today, and either confirm or debunk the claims of thousands of nostalgic gamers who believe that gaming has in fact gone downhill. Well ten old games later I'm not so sure I'm much closer to coming to a definite conclusion.

How the recaps will work is quite simple; I'm going to give a brief summary of all ten previous titles I looked over in detail and then give a more conclusive summary on whether it's really better than the games of today, or if that's just nostalgia talking. I'm going to try to be as objective as possible, but I don't believe in true objectivity so take that for what you will.

1. Wolfenstein 3-D

Summary: Nazis and Nazi zombies, what every growing boy needs. Wolfenstein 3-D was the first real first person shooter and as such laid the groundwork for the defining title Doom. As B.J. Blazkowicz the player had to traverse nine levels over the course of six episodes while fighting off Adolf Hitler's minions.

Final Verdict: As I pointed out in the full blog entry there isn't really any way that Wolfenstein 3-D can be considered superior to modern releases. It was the original FPS (not counting Catacombs 3-D), but this title can only carry it so far. If you're a modern gamer who hasn't played Wolfenstein 3-D it can be worth a look if you want to see how the genre more or less began, but it's probably not something you'll find yourself enjoying a great deal.

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2. Zone 66

Summary: A semi-freeform overhead shooter where the player fought their way through a few episodes taking out primary installations and fighting off endless waves of enemy jet fighters.

Final Verdict: Zone 66 is in a league of its own; the overhead shooter isn't really a genre that receives a lot of attention today so there's nothing to compare it to, and even back then most overhead shooters were on rails. Suffice to say that if you like arcade games then even if you're a gamer of today you might find some enjoyment in Zone 66 if dying a lot doesn't bother you.

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3. Alien Carnage

Summary: Attack of the killer space zombies! The player had to navigate Harry through a variety of large levels rescuing hostages, and slaying zombies with limited resources.

Final Verdict: Platformers went full 3-D a long time ago, but very few of them can compare to Alien Carnage from a tactical perspective. Alien Carnage required you to balance the use of your jetpack and weapons as your fuel was limited, and you had to pay for recharges. Most platformers I've played both old and new didn't require much thought beyond "do I want to attack, jump, or just run past this guy?" Alien Carnage definitely deserves kudos for that. On the other hand I personally never found it to be a very enjoyable game. 3D Realms has made this title freeware though, so it can be worth a look if the side scrollers of yesterday pique your interest.

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4. King's Quest V: Absence Makes The Heart Go Yonder

Summary: As King Graham the player had to travel through dark forests, cold mountains, Harpy infested isles and foreboding castles in order to rescue his kidnapped family from the evil wizard Mordack. Gameplay came down to solving puzzles, usually with items players attained over the course of the game.

Final Verdict: Sierra's brand of adventure games don't exist anymore in the mainstream gaming market, so there's nothing recent to compare King's Quest V to save for Telltale's episodic Sam & Max and Monkey Island games. Would I say King's Quest is better than those? Sure, there's something about being able to die in fifty different ways that makes finishing King's Quest far more satisfying than finishing a Telltale adventure game. On the other hand some of the Sierra deaths may drive some players nuts, but really that's one of the reasons Sierra's adventure games were so great.

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5. Star Wars: Dark Forces

Summary: As mercenary Kyle Katarn players assisted the Rebel Alliance in stealing the plans to the dreaded Death Star, and shutting down the Dark Trooper project in one of the first "Doom clones" that was able to step out of its older brother's shadow.

Final Verdict: While I loved this game back in the day, and while it brought a lot to the table and helped the first person shooter genre evolve Dark Forces pales in comparison to its sequel Jedi Knight which did everything this game did, and more. Dark Forces did have the first FPS engine to feature the capability of building levels on top of levels, though; it was also the first FPS to fully implement jumping and crouching. It's probably not as good as some modern shooters, but it was still a great game, and still is today if you can look past the dated graphics.

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6. Sonic The Hedgehog

Summary: Blue streak speeds by; this game was a straight forward side scroller where the player guided the blue hedgehog Sonic through a bunch of loop de loop filled levels.

Final Verdict: Sonic was a great game, but it was surpassed by its immediate successors. I actually haven't played any of the new stuff, but from what I hear it's not that good so this is probably one game that could be considered superior to more recent titles.

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7. Fallout

Summary: Greetings from the wasteland! As the legendary Vault Dweller of Fallout lore players had to (initially) navigate treacherous post-apocalyptic California in search of a replacement water chip for their home of Vault 13 while helping, or hindering others along the way with an innovative dialogue tree system, and tactical turn based combat.

Final Verdict: Fallout still is a great game because it was very different from other RPGs out on the market then, and it is definitely unique now in an age where folks don't have any patience for turn based gameplay. This is also the game that introduced the dialogue tree system that BioWare would go on to utilize in Baldur's Gate and many other future titles. It's definitely worth playing today if you have the patience for turn based gameplay.

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8. Red Baron

Summary: As a fighter pilot in World War I players had to take on a variety of missions for either the Royal Flying Air Corps, or the German Air Service while rising through the ranks and trying to stay alive.

Final Verdict: Red Baron has been surpassed time and time again; unlike other genres flight sims haven't changed all that much in the time since their introduction. There hasn't been an awful lot of WWI aerial sims in recent years, but there have been enough to label Red Baron as an outdated title that isn't really worth playing unless you just want to play an oldie, and since this game was made freeware by Sierra then it's not a bad choice for just that.

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9. Doom

Summary: Players took on the role of one lone space marine in an epic battle against the forces of Hell as they made their way through three episodes set in the UAC Phobos base, the lost UAC Deimos base, and in Hell itself. You could also slaughter your friends in online deathmatch, or fight alongside them in coop.

Final Verdict: You won't find Doom's straight forward run and gun gameplay in many modern shooters save for the possibility of Painkiller, and even that's stretching it since Doom didn't seal you in rooms forcing you to fight off waves of enemies until magically opening again (not usually anyway). Doom was the first person shooter that defined the genre, and even today its fast and fluid gameplay is enjoyable. Is it better than modern shooters? I'd have to say no.

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10. Command & Conquer

Summary: As a Commander for either the heroic Global Defense Initiative or the sinister Brotherhood of Nod players had to battle their nemesis in lengthy campaigns. Players could also take the battle to their friends with multiplayer support.

Final Verdict: Okay so the villain was a bit too much like Lex Luthor right down to his lack of hair, but the game was still a blast back when the RTS genre was fairly new. Unfortunately Command & Conquer hasn't aged well due to its primitive AI, and lack of a skirmish function. It doesn't help that the Command & Conquer series has in fact improved with sequels (I may or may not be including Tiberium Wars and Red Alert 3 in this tally), and the genre has come a long ways since its debut in Dune II: The Building Of A Dynasty. Still the game has been made freeware by EA, so it may be worth a play through if you want to experience the beginning of the epic conflict between GDI and Nod.

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Conclusion: Well I can conclude that these blog entries aren't going to end the old school versus new school debates that's for sure. Honestly as I'm sure you can tell from my final verdicts; I'm finding it extremely difficult to compare the games of yesterday to the games of today. I believe that this is because the games of today don't really resemble the games of yesterday all that much. Is it evolution? De-evolution? Neither? At the moment I honestly couldn't tell you. I'm leaning towards neither at the moment, but that's subject to change.

I will say one thing though; we had greater diversity back in the 1980's and 1990's. Back when games were cheaper and easier to produce taking risks was easier, and less costly. The price of those pretty graphics of today's titles and a more mainstream industry is publishers who are only interested in funding what will sell, and this leads to more of the same. The more unique games out of the ten I've looked over thus far were the hardest to compare to recent titles. How do you compare Zone 66 to anything recent? You can't because there are no overhead shooters let alone freeform overhead shooters.

So far my only conclusion is really this: the cheaper production costs of yesteryears lead to a more diverse selection of titles. The older generations of gaming had bad games just as the newer generations do, but the older generations seemed to offer more. This isn't really a breakthrough as I'm sure many folks have come to this conclusion, but we'll see what this morphs into (if anything at all) after the next ten walks down memory lane which I'm going to start off with the original Final Fantasy for the Nintendo Entertainment System (or Famicon depending on where you're from), so get psyched.

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Posted by Talonfire, 4:01pm
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I've played around half of the titles you mentioned and considering I only started gaming during the SNES period, I don't think that's too bad! I've always wanted to play the original Fallout as I enjoyed the second one but I've just never gotten round to it.

Good read, and a nice little refresher.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 4:15 pm PT
Well written...and I agree with that. But...I didn't play a lot of PC games in the '80s and '90s except Oregon Trail and Word Munchers...and I thought those were for the old Apple 2e's and the first-gen Mac (ok I'm probably dating myself here). Anyway, I have a lil' nostalgia for the games of yesteryear...but the new stuff that's coming out today, they're getting a little more creative.
Oh, and Sonic's original 2D iterations are, in my humble opinion, better than the 3D Sonic games that have been released within the last 5 years...
Posted Nov 10, 2009 5:04 pm PT
Evolution... Not really.
I'd rather call it reinvented. Most games do not really evolve. Evolution implies a slow, smooth, steady change. Games TEND to make significant jumps more so than actually evolve. The obvious evidence being the console transitions. PS1 games were VERY different than PS 2 games. PS1 games were also VERY different than SNES games. I don't really see very much evolution because people complain so much when stuff doesn't grow quickly enough. The standard pattern is rehash after rehash after rehash after rehash, followed by a some "jump." Goldeneye did it for shooters, FF VII did it for RPG's, The total war games do that. Other than the jump games, the other games are nothing more than just cashing in on the success of the jumpers. They may improve the formula, but they still follow the formula. To actually call it evolution/devolution it would have to be slow SMOOTH and steady, when in fact changes are anything but smooth and steady.
Nice blog.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 5:07 pm PT
Retro games have their great classics, but overall I think that games from SNES forward are usually superior. Particularly for the FPS genre. That genre practically depends on graphics.
Many old RTS's haven't aged well, either. Mainly due to graphical issues and weak AI, both on the part of your enemy and your own soldiers. The options available for commanding your units today are also vastly superior to those available twelve years (or more) ago.

Sonic was surpassed by Sonic 2, immediately after it.

I'm playing the original Final Fantasy now, actually. I'm still enjoying near every minute of it. Any retro FF could get you close to the same experience, but just knowing that this one was the first, the one that started it all...

So Star Wars: Jedi Knight was a good game, then? I haven't played it.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 5:13 pm PT
It's not just nostalgia that keeps older games alive in gamers' minds, it's the impact the games had at the time. Sure, some of them date pretty badly, but the same can be said for film and other creative media. A lot of people consider Ocarina to be the greatest game ever made, but if you look at it side by side, is it really better than Twilight Princess? Maybe not, but it was far more revolutionary and incredible for its time. It rewrote a lot of the rules for 3D gaming.

Any game has to be looked at in its original context, taking into account the state of gaming at the time, the extant technology, trends, etc. That's hard to do if you weren't there when it happened, which is what I think leads to these debates over new vs. old

Posted Nov 10, 2009 5:57 pm PT
I don't think games back then had more variety. i think it appears that way because the medium was evolving. FPS, platformers, RTS, they were being made then and improved upon now.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 6:32 pm PT
That is one excellent list of games. Many of them are right up there when it comes to what got me hooked on games in the first place... but time has unfortunately not been too kind on most of them.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 6:54 pm PT
It's Punctuated Equilibrium. The games evolve, but do so during short periods of rapid change. Then a sort of balance is reached where not much change occurs until something forces another massive evolutionary jump.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 7:19 pm PT
Kings Quest consumed my childhood, in an era of games with punishing difficulty (Ghost's n Goblins, Battletoads, Cobra Triangle etc.) but taught me incredible patience thats for sure
Posted Nov 10, 2009 9:25 pm PT
This will be more interesting to read once you reach the era that introduces 3D gaming. Since almost all titles today are 3D based, the true comparison will come from the N64 days onward.

I personally think the N64/playstation generation offers the best games yet, from a development standpoint, not a technological standpoint.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 9:53 pm PT
you forgot Age of Empires Rise of Rome
Posted Nov 10, 2009 10:06 pm PT
Why do I have a sudden, uncontrollable urge to go and play all of these again. I'm talking major nostalgia overload here. I've played all of the above, back in the day, expect maybe Zone 66. (Well, I did play it, I just liked Tyrian better).

Great list.
Posted Nov 10, 2009 10:18 pm PT
Sonic lost his way when the 32-bit era came along, the cancellation of Sonic Xtreme on the Saturn was the beginning of his fall unfortunately, though the GBA games are great and Sonic and The Black Knight for the Wii isn't too bad nor too good, broken response controls, but it's a major improvement compared to The Secret Rings which was horrendously frustrating control-wise.

It'd be cool to see a new Sonic game with a retro feel ala Megaman 9.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 3:20 am PT
I have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, other than I agree with your conclusion.

The games I enjoyed playing as a kid spanned many different genres. Nowadays it does feel very restrictive in what I get to play never mind enjoy playing.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 3:25 am PT
I find it equally difficult to compare old-school and new-school, unless it is really comparable say the original Doom with Doom 3. In that case the modern version wins out only because it has perfected the original ideas in so many ways, but usually it is just hard to say. Maybe there was just a different kind of aesthetic to old-school games vs. new-school games. Maybe its just two different kinds of enjoyment that can't be easily contrasted. Even when I try a comparison within the same genre like the classic Megaman franchise vs. Ratchet & Clank, I don't know what to say. Both are fun, just in different ways. I don't want to pick between them!
Posted Nov 11, 2009 3:44 am PT
You want nostalgia? How about Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, Mech Warrior 2, Hexen, ...
All great games that i still enjoy.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 3:51 am PT
i love sonic...but not this gen..sonic games nowadays most of them are......................(fill in the blank)
Posted Nov 11, 2009 5:52 am PT
I still nostalgia on older games, especially PC games. However, Fallout 2 is still a genuinely great game. I'm trying to set up an old windows 98 machine so I can go back and play Mechwarrior 2, Duke Nukem 3d, and the old CnC games.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 6:07 am PT
I think you're missing an important point when comparing many of these games - and that's how revolutionary they were. I think much of the old-school versus new argument is that when the old schoolers talk about their games, they're talking about games that invented or redefined entire genre's. My prime example is XCOM - There have been many sequels, many re-inventions, of the turn-based tactical squad combat since it came out in 1993 - but not one has been able to improve upon that formula. Those of us who are around today and who were able to play these games AS they came out can remember the gaming industry before and after their arrivals. That's not to say they don't happen today -
Demon Soul's has taken the old trial and error gameplay from the 80's and early 90's, combined it with online multiplayer and amazing character customization to create something that the gaming world has never seen before.

It's games like these that the world will remember and come back to over the years because of what they stand for. CoD:MW2 will come and go - but it's the original - it's the feeling you got when you played your first scripted FPS storytelling experience in CoD 1 - that will always stick with you for one simple reason - because you had never experienced anything like that before in your entire life. These old games were like your first kiss - sloppy and awkward - but perfect, nonetheless.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 7:41 am PT
only good 3D sonic game's were sonic adventure 1 + 2 for the dreamcast. all others have been utter let downs unforchantly

hopefully this new HD 2D arcade game they have in the works will bring sonic back from near oblivion *crosses fingers*
Posted Nov 11, 2009 9:24 am PT
A really good read. I started gaming around 1987 so I'm from the hay-days of NES, Comador 64 and Amiga. I love the games of that time mostly because of the diversity. I think you nailed it on the head. Its not necessarily that the games of yore are better there was just more variety as far as game types so you were never really bored. I find that less true in todays gaming world where the types of games has narrowed down to very basic demographics and you see a lot of the same stuff over and over. Especially with shooters and RTS games. All of your choices on this list are great, I can't believe you threw in Red Baron, I kind of geeked out when I saw it on the list, I played that one a lot on Amiga and it was so flipping hard. All of your PC choices were great, and truly were the games that formed the FPS genre. Anyone who is a hardcore FPS person needs to play them just so they can fully appreciate where the games they play today came from. Would have liked to have seen some NES titles in the mix but thats ok.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 10:06 am PT
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! I agree with you when you say that we had greater diversity in games back in the 80's and 90's and with all the reasons why that you listed. The market may have grown astronomically since then, but I feel that a majority of games are getting formulaic due to the inherent financial risk of a big budget title. I am deeply disappointed that we do not get any contemporary versions of the Sierra adventure games. I miss their quirkiness and how engrossing they were. Also, Zone 66 is amazing! Non-FPS shooters seem to have all but disappeared, and there are so many from that era that are memorable. Blood Money, Xenon 2, & Project X come to mind & don't forget the Alien Breed & Turrican series. The Amiga was loaded with these games back in the day!
Posted Nov 11, 2009 10:25 am PT
I can't play a lot of those old titles because my graphics card can't support resolution lower than 800x600.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 10:42 am PT
doom. you brought back some memories.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 10:43 am PT
Great list, and good article. I remeber a lot of these. However, I can't help but notice Age Of Empires (1 or 2, take your pick) is missing.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 10:53 am PT
I disagree with your saying that Doom isn't more enjoyable than games today. I find it one of the best and most captivating shooters out there, especially with its release on the XBL arcade.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 11:09 am PT
d3emondav3: I'm not even close to being finished with these blog entries. I'll probably do both Age of Empires I and II at some point.

PDCollins6: I agree to an extent, but the problem with comparing Doom to modern shooters is that they're nothing alike. Doom is a straight forward arcade experience with illogical item placement, and the ability to carry a wide range of large armaments. Most modern games now limit the amount of weapons that can be carried by the player, and item placement tends to be more realistic now then it was back then. I think it really comes down to whether you want some degree of realism, or whether you want your experience to be a completely over the top arcade experience.

I think there's a place for both types of shooters, but we're not seeing many arcade shooters these days. I probably should have refrained from giving a definite answer on Doom's quality when compared to newer shooters, but I felt obligated to. I mean... it's Doom.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 12:27 pm PT
Great posts... most of those were great games, but nothing that was particularly enjoyable. I did enjoy Sonic, Wolfen, Doom, and C&C... I played the rest (sans FO) but never really got into them. Thanks for the trip down memory lane
Posted Nov 11, 2009 1:54 pm PT
@Talonfire
That's great to hear. I enjoyed this a lot, and look forward to more articles. I even played some Doom after reading this
Posted Nov 11, 2009 2:23 pm PT
I haven't played any in there but I do enjoy classic games
Posted Nov 11, 2009 2:50 pm PT
@ auron11022You're right and wrong at the same time. Even when "secular" evolution is exactly as you say, steady and slow. Real life evolution is more Cyclic and it does involve leaps.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 4:25 pm PT
great classics that god for emulators and roms hahahhahahaahahahah
Posted Nov 11, 2009 6:35 pm PT
Honorable mentions should go to Master of Magic by microprose, a game that is better than all Magic games that have succeeded it in my opinion.
Posted Nov 11, 2009 9:12 pm PT
I find it funny how I never played any of the titles mentioned above. My first system was the NES back in the mid 80's and I really wasn't into computer titles. I do however, own Fallout 3... great title.
Posted Nov 12, 2009 5:10 am PT
no mario? sonic instead? you gotta be kidding...
Posted Nov 12, 2009 10:50 am PT
@Kleeyook
you can play these games using special programs like the DOS box
Posted Nov 12, 2009 11:57 am PT
I'm surprised Alien Carnage is on the list, good choice! I loved Halloween Harry.
Posted Nov 12, 2009 7:38 pm PT
The real test would be having a 'newer' gamer try out these titles; someone who has only beein video gaming in the last couple of years and thus isn't already clouded by potential nostalgia.

Just watched some Zone 66 footage. Wouldn't todays dual stick shooters be a pretty good update of that game?
Posted Nov 13, 2009 3:25 am PT
i dont know theres some thing about this blog that i dont like ... ill keep reading it tho maybe ill change my mind
Posted Nov 16, 2009 12:29 pm PT
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Posted Nov 19, 2009 12:27 am PT
She looks very beautiful. Why not she design uniform, I remember she said she love military, I also see her dating single military on a military club. she said she love to chat with handsome military on "****____Black White Mingle.c o m ___*****, so I felt very confused that although she love military, but not to design uniform, hope we can see her uniform design one day in the future.
Posted Nov 19, 2009 12:46 am PT
When it comes to old school nothing can't beat Monkey Island series
Posted Dec 1, 2009 6:40 pm PT
@Talonfire: Well, I put "@" because it's been a while since this blog was written, but I just found it. I think when it comes to nostalgia and gaming- I'm a nostalgic gamer myself- many old-schoolers confuse "better," with "revolutionary."

Many of these games brought something to the table that had never been seen before. Obviously, none of these games can stand up graphically to today's games. Also, the ability for games today to be so much more dynamic than those in the past makes these older games seem repetitive and stale.

All that said, I think many old-schoolers want to bemoan the lack of originality in games today moreso than literally pump up the old games. Granted, to many old-schoolers nostalgia hold onto your heart heavily, but how many times have you heard a new game today described as a "Diablo clone," or a "Halo clone?" Too many, I think.

But (somewhat) objectively, to look at these old games as great you must factor in the fact that they brought something new to the genre, and were able to extrapolate as much ingenuity as they could out of a tiny little 8 or 16 bit cartridge. The most frustrating thing about disappointing new games is that they have so much room to work with, and yet come up with so little so often.
Posted Dec 2, 2009 8:08 am PT
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