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Tuesday, Jul 29, 2008

Ethan said that I would be better off making a blog about this instead of saying it all in this thread and ignoring the "no more posts after this" rule, so I think I will.

Look, we all should realize that while most of us are thrilled to go to a forum where we can take part in constructive discussion about the show we love, there are some obvious flaws to the way it actually runs on a daily basis.

There are some people on the forum who are more mature than others, but if you think about it, that's how life in the outside world works too. Yes, there are some people who are still nothing short of a headache after several years who continue to haunt the boards. But is it really fair to start a full fledged rally against a new member when they may not be used to the site just yet? Every time I see a new thread pop up that I know goes against everything that the members who give a crap about the guide are striving for, I sit back and watch the fun begin. Someone posts a reply explaining why the thread should not have been made, a reason why, and information for future reference (and "no more posts after this"). Then someone else adds their opinion on it ("no more posts after this"). Then someone else comes up with something to say (again, "no more posts after this"). Is it just me, or does "no more posts after this" never seem to actually work the way we'd like it to? If you're not a moderator or an editor, you have no authority other than reporting the posts to somebody who actually is.

In theory, thread check is a great tool to combat the problem. The problem is that new members tend to just search for the threads that are of most interest to them first, and if they don't, they just go and start up a new one. I doubt any member who knows nothing about the guide would even think to go to thread check beforehand. Hell, when I first came here, I didn't even know topics were referred to as threads until I actually got involved a little more and learned some forum lingo.

I guess my question is this: does the Thomas forum even need any additional threads? We are already faced with 28 pages chock full of topics that make up the Thomas forum at this very moment. Chances are that if someone wants to talk about something Thomas related, there is probably an existing thread in which to do so. It seems that for the past few months, there haven't been all that many new topics that have actually become active; exception being any sort of notable event or speculation about the future of the show. I know David, he's one of my closest online friends. I seriously feel that constantly turning to him to delete threads that should have never been made in the first place is just unfair to him. His job is to moderate submissions and take care of serious matters on the forum, not the nonsense that his inbox must be flooded with day after day.

So yeah, the bottom line is that we should stop allowing new threads to be made unless it is a topic that will spawn off constructive discussion, which will be determined by either David or a certain number of other forum members. I'm not expecting any progress to be made or anything because it rarely ever does, but I hope you'll at least give it some thought.

While I'm at it, I might as well go ahead and tell you about my summer in one paragraph or less. It's been stressful, relaxing, depressing, and thrilling. I got things set straight with my girlfriend, even though my family still hates her. I went to a three day orientation at college where I was thrown out of bed at two in the morning so my roomate could have sex with his new girlfriend. I went to Atlantic City and Disney World, had a lot of fun at each. I'm going to Cooperstown on Friday, then I'm doing nothing until I start college. In short, the remainder of my summer has consisted of sleeping until noon every day and hanging out at the station once in a while to watch trains. What an awesome life.

Oh, where's my manners? Forgot that you can have a song too. That would be Rum is for Drinking Not for Burning by Senses Fail.

Posted by RRJS3, 1:50pm
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Basically, what we need to do is make sure that any new members are able to read and understand the rules, so that any mastakes they make during their early days in TV.com won't be made again. But hey, we were all new once, and made some of those mistakes!
Posted Jul 29, 2008 4:30 pm PT
I agree. The new members should be corrected once and should learn, though they keep disobeying the rules. The thread check should be renamed "Thread check, please read before adding new topic". Anyone agree?
Posted Jul 29, 2008 4:43 pm PT
Interesting views Ronnie! Generally, some people just like to add their views in or act as if they have authority in matters like this. It has been worse since David has been away, and though he left me in charge, I can't really do much It is sort of way of telling people not to post there until David deletes it, though it gets ignored most of the time. Hoepfully, after their first thread is deleted, new members will learn to use Thread Check.
Posted Jul 29, 2008 11:11 pm PT
David and I are close as well and I know for a fact that he is a busy man with his offline life and I have great respect for him. I would certainly hate to come on tv.com as an editor and see over 20 PMs from everyone asking him to lock and unlock threads and delete posts. TV.com is always going to get new members, so will youtube and other various forums including SiF have dealt with new people signing on. It generally isn't fair to get mad at the new people and snap at them for doing stuff they aren't supposed to do without knowing it. I am sure maybe if we talk to the new people in a calm, mature, and friendly way then they will become good friends with us and will learn more about forum posting which will make the forum a happy place. Remember, a happy forum with friendly members can go a long way once we work together like a team.
Posted Jul 29, 2008 11:30 pm PT
I completely agree. I feel we are as friendly as can be the first few times a new member makes a mistake. But after awhile, it seems as if all we're doing is trying to enforce the rules rather than discussing things. David does a great job, but when he's away, we need another admin to help keep the clutter out of the forums.
Posted Jul 30, 2008 12:35 pm PT
Thanks to everyone for their interest. I think it's becoming more and more clear that because David is the only one of us that can moderate the forum, it can get out of hand quickly. While that's completely out of our control, we're just gonna have to find a way to work around it.
Posted Jul 30, 2008 4:16 pm PT
I couldn't agree with you more the problem is that there are too many threads and too many new ones being made. About two months ago I sent David a PM about a thread but know I am asking myself "Do we really need this thread?"
David is an excellent Editor and we are lucky to have him but does he really need all these PMs? Now we were all new once I am still quite new I have only been here 5 months but it hasn't taken me long to learn the TV.com ways. When new members come instead of being rude and sating no more posts and getting angry we should be nice and tell them what to do instead of getting angry and not telling them what to do but after being told once they shouldn't really do it again. When creating a thread people don't even use thread check let alone PM david about it. Now I think one of our biggest problems is spammers this gets me really annoyed her is an example of what people do they double post then they triple post by saying sorry that really gets me annoyed. I think we have far too many threads and I have come up with an Idea how about we don't have anymore threads until we have cleaned up and got rid of the useless ones just think we could have been well into discussing season 12 storylines if it weren't for spammers. How about we have a blog meeting and think of ways to work round these problems?
Posted Aug 6, 2008 6:40 am PT
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