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Wednesday, Sep 2, 2009

I could wrap things up here, but inevitably, I have to compare Mass Effect to Oblivion. It's not my fault this time, though, it's my girlfriend's fault. While watching me play, she asked, "Why is it I can watch you play this game, but watching you play Oblivion makes me want to kill myself?"

Wow. Burn.

It took me a second to form a response, which was basically, "Because the story in Oblivion sucks!" Yeah, Oblivion is light as hell on story. Now, the overall plot of Oblivion (emperor dying, demonic invasion, finding a lost heir) is solid enough, and would probably be interesting if it were novelized. However, in terms of actually playing the game, the presentation of the story is very weak.

My number one reason for this: Oblivion has next to no characters. In place of characters, Oblivion has plot devices. Some people dispense quests, other people are the object of quests. None of them have anything very interesting to say, you never really get to know them, and you certainly don't think of them as real people. There are occasional exceptions to this (i.e., Martin Septim), but when compared to Mass Effect, Oblivion's characters run from bland to non-existent. Without good characters, even a well-conceived story is no more interesting or emotionally engaging than reading a history book.

Back to Mass Effect, after leaving the Citadel for the first time, I landed on an uncharted planet and began exploring the surface for survey-able resources, bits of space junk, and one side quest. My girlfriend remarked that watching me drive the Mako around, hunt for stuff, and fight some scavengers wasn't very interesting. I agreed, but then it occurred to me: If you completely removed Mass Effect's main quest and took away all the characters (your companions, Saren, Cpt. Anderson, others), and all you had in the game were the uncharted planets and the sides quests…you'd have Oblivion! Yeah, it's a perfect analogy:

  • Mako: Shadowmere. (Both are annoying on hills.)
  • Resources to survey: Ingredients to collect.
  • Combat that isn't as good as real shooters: Combat that isn't as good as real action adventures.
  • Lance Henrikson giving you missions in monotone voiceovers: Unrecognizable actors giving you missions in monotone voiceovers.
  • Space junk to find: Fantasy junk to find.
  • Hunt and fetch missions in similar looking planetary outposts: Hunt and fetch quests in good-but-similar looking dungeons.
  • Space pirates: Bandits (e.g., Random people who attack you for no reason: Random people who attack you for no reason).
  • Quests which have you kill a certain number of monsters and then are resolved by a simple window of text: Quests which have you… Yeah, you get the idea.

There you go. Oblivion is Mass Effect minus the characters and main quest, just much longer. Think about it: The Cerberus side missions are about as interesting as any faction questline in Oblivion. The sidequests on the Citadel are as emotionally involving as the main quest in Oblivion. Compared to Mass Effect, the only thing Oblivion has going for it is that you can play for 500 hours and still not see all the game's content. This I've said before: Oblivion is a breadth over depth experience.

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Posted by Palantas, 2:26pm
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A very good comparison sir. This is a good read. I wish we had more game's where you get to talk to characters more and get to know them.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:17 pm PT
Yeah, I think I didn't like Oblivion because it had no soul.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:34 pm PT
I think they are both pretty decent games from what I got to play, but you pose a very good point. Some people might place the story of a game before its actual gameplay.

I don't think, though, that all women are easily bored by games without an active story - females make up a good majority of the World of Warcraft playerbase. My theory? Girls enjoy games that either have good stories or good multiplayer, they don't like playing single-player games that value gameplay over the story. Maybe it's not entirely true, but it's a theory.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:37 pm PT
good write.
But I must say, how is a history book boring? (This is coming from an avid history freak, mind you)
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:44 pm PT
A very good comparison of two games I would have never thought to compare. I pretty much agree with every point made.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:54 pm PT
Good read though I have not played the games....
Posted Sep 2, 2009 3:56 pm PT
Very well done, Palantas. Tell your gf I felt the same way when I watched my friend play the game after we went to the rental store to grab this thing. I was excited to play but after watching my friend play first, I wasn't all to impressed. I recently grabbed the Bioshock/Oblivion (seemingly GOTY bundle but unfortunately not) bundle and felt like giving Oblivion another try and now I'm enjoying it much more. While it's not as great as Mass Effect IMO, the free-world exploration and sheer things you can do (join a few guilds, possibly steal from someone get caught and fight city guards, etc.) is what I still this to be an awesome game.........with lame story and characters
Posted Sep 2, 2009 4:34 pm PT
@Wallenstein_155: I like history too and read mostly military-related primary and secondary sources for enjoyment. While interesting, it's rarely emotionally involving, which is what a piece of fiction is supposed to be.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 5:50 pm PT

Quality vs. quantity

Posted Sep 2, 2009 6:12 pm PT
Sometimes I think I really want to restart oblivion again... but then I remember. Once you finish all the main quests you can do anything you want and it doesn't matter. I mean once you finish out the thieves guild quests you can never get caught again... it was kind of a bummer really. I wonder if I would like fable 2...
Posted Sep 2, 2009 7:13 pm PT
I loved Mass Effect and Morrowind, but I have not played Oblivion or Fallout 3.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 7:34 pm PT
Could not dissagree more. Mass Effect's sidequests were terrible. With all the care and attention that obviously went into the main story, it's amazing how boring the sidequests are. Text descriptions replace voice acting, you land on the exact same planet with different skins every single time, enter the same base/cave with boxes rearranged every single time, and fight lame, uninteresting enemies in every quest.

I love Mass Effect's main story, but anything removed from that was a big letdown. I'll take the thieve's guild questline or the Shivering Isles over Mass Effect's sidequests any time.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 7:42 pm PT
I bought Oblivion the other day... haven't played it yet. Heard the story stunk from some others though, makes me wonder if it's worth it.
Posted Sep 3, 2009 2:52 am PT
Great comparison but I also think it's pretty funny that, overall, you've spent more time in Oblivion than Mass Effect despite ME being the better game. What's just as funny is Gamespot scoring Oblivion a full point higher than ME although I don't really pay attention to GS scores because of how much I usually disagree with them.
Posted Sep 3, 2009 7:52 am PT
@Lance_Kalzas: I know, right? I criticize Oblivion all the time, but I've spent more than 500 hours in it. I'm only on my third playthrough of Mass Effect. I love Mass Effect so much that I can't just play through it back to back. It's like one of my favorite movies: I watch it once, then I have to wait a while before I watch it again.
Posted Sep 3, 2009 11:50 am PT
I never noticed that before. Good read.
Posted Sep 3, 2009 1:28 pm PT
Yeah, you gotta make sure you don't obsessively play something over and over. It takes the fun out. Kinda like songs. I use to listen to some favorite and over and then I'd get tired of it and never want to listen to it again. The trick is to play sparingly.
Posted Sep 3, 2009 8:23 pm PT
I!.....WELL!!!....CRAP. You know, right now, I just wanna put my hands over my ears, go LALALALALA and just hate....jeez... Well, there is one thing Oblvion did right. "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM" goes right up there on the "You know you're screwed when" list right along with Pyramid head showing up and using any weapon but the M16 in CoD4.
Posted Sep 4, 2009 12:22 am PT
@vashkey - Untrue. It had many souls. Each of them could be trapped in gems as well.
Posted Sep 4, 2009 12:23 am PT
I think Oblivion is worth playing through for the sheer size of it and all of the stuff you can do while exploring. But in terms of story, ME is better.
Posted Sep 4, 2009 10:18 am PT
Nice comparisons. Overall good read
Posted Sep 4, 2009 10:06 pm PT
I haven't played both games just yet, but I can see how they are similar.
Posted Sep 5, 2009 12:24 am PT
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