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Wednesday, Feb 6, 2008

While I still don't have a lot of gaming time, I did take a few hours the other night to play some Civ IV. I've been a fan of the Civilization series sine Civ II. I recall to many hazy nights of hitting enter until the wee hours of the morning in the dimly lit internet cafe after hours (it was owned by friends). My friends and I whiled away many hours figuring out the quickest way to elephants (which could still take down tanks in the late game). I didn't actually 'win' many games, as I would get too caught up in individual pursuits to look at the big picture.

I still do this in Civ IV. While there are some easier win conditions in Civ IV than Civ II for a pacifist like me (cultural victories for the win), I still found myself whiling away the time. Rather than looking at the game as a win/lose scenario and trying to figure out the best way to 'score', I tend to just build every building, research the tech and improve my surrounding countryside. I will go to war to get someone out of the way of my expansion or to stop bothering me, but I won't cutthroatly go to war and I'm in favor of peace treaties. I don't expand as much as I should or as soon as I should. I don't research only necessary technologies, I try to research them all. It is a valid way to play, but a game ends up taking a total of several hour play times over the course of days instead of a single sit down or only two. I know that there are ways to optimize winning and I find that I just don't care. I play Civ to hit the 'one more turn button' rather than to really win. This hampers my ability to play on the harder difficulty levels and prevents me from doing well in multiplayer games.

There are other games I care about winning. I worked hard on Geometry Wars and studied YouTube videos to get to my respectable high score (over 600,000 iirc). It isn't nearly as high as some people I know (my boyfriend has a high of 3 million plus), but it is still enough to garner respect amongst my friends. The only point of Geo Wars is to get that high score. I play RTS games (Starcraft, Warcraft III, Company of Heroes) and there I will figure out optimal build orders down to the second to gain an advantage. But for whatever reason, I don't treat Civilization in that way. I treat it almost more like an RPG, where I'm just running around and expericing the world.

I never finished Oblivion because I (seriously) got too caught up playing with the herbs and alchemy profession to bother to advance the main storyline. I tend to wander a lot in Zelda games, not because I want to find all the secrets or to explore all the zones, but because I just enough moving around in the world. I won't finish a RPG quickly, if I finish it at all.

I don't know what it is about Civ that pulls me in this way. It isn't a story thing. There isn't really one and I certainly don't tell myself the story of the Great and Powerful Dawn. And the world is familiar as it is history & earth, more or less. But I always would prefer to have 'just one more turn' instead of winning.

Anyone else like this out there? Are the other games that people savor instead of playing to win than the standard open world ones? And, related, I wonder why it is that I'll have a blast doing Civ or Oblivion but I'm not into the open world games like GTA.

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Posted by DawnBurn, 5:18pm
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I might suggest trying to get into the Galactic Civ games, or possibly Sins of a Solar Empire, but both are very complex, and hard. But, you (it sounds like) would get immersed in the games, where I only find frustration, and eventual dis-interest. I'm kind of the same way about some games, like Space Rangers 2, or Planescape, but most games (Vagrant Story right now), I just play to beat.
Posted Feb 6, 2008 6:01 pm PT
@Allerka

I've played the Gal Civ games (and the Master of Orion ones, and Alpha Centauri) and I do a lot of the same things. Though in Masters of Orion 2 I had wining the game down to a fine science. I enjoy most of the turn based strategy E4 games. I haven't played Sins of a Solar Empire, yet though.
Posted Feb 6, 2008 6:20 pm PT
SOASE is more of an RTS game, than a CIV game. It's about as complicated though, which doesn't bode well for me. But, it's kind of like 3D Starcraft, mixed with Galactic Civ. I dunno if that'd interest you, but it's an interesting concept, at least.
Posted Feb 6, 2008 6:39 pm PT
I'm an addict when it come to "one-more-click" Civ! I've been playing them for years and I think I've only "won" a handful of times. I pick the largest map size, 2 or more continents, about 8 AI factions. And then, as you do, build and research everything - I just find it relaxing. It remains my favourite game for just that reason. I haven't played any other game or franchise for as many hours as Civ. I think it's the turn-based system that enables the player to take it at a leisurely pace unlike GTA.
Posted Feb 6, 2008 6:46 pm PT
I think you'd love Sins of a Solar Empire. I'm still learning the basics, but I like what I see. Since you are such a Civilization fan I think you should go buy it next chance you get. It combines the economic and diplomatic elements of games like Civilization with a real-time system and combat much like Homeworld. You can cause empires to crumbling by broadcasting the propaganda regarding your culture towards neighboring planets of rival empires, you have to develop your planets to collect taxes from them for money, as developed worlds with high standards of living are expensive to live on while underdeveloped worlds eat away at your economy to maintain them. You can set up enormous maps with many, many planets. The game has no campaign as far as I can tell, because a single large skirmish game can last you days of off and on play. It is one of those games that people like you would be playing for months on end. I probably will, once I can understand all of the aspects of gameplay.
Posted Feb 6, 2008 7:54 pm PT
I know that I savored playing the Myst games; I'd just look around a lot even if I wasn't doing anything... the game was puuurrrrttty. I honestly don't have anything more constructive to add. Here's a random video clip
Posted Feb 6, 2008 8:48 pm PT
Try finding Ascendancy i think you will like it
Posted Feb 6, 2008 11:53 pm PT
I'm addicted to RPGs and strategy games. I would argue that they are quite similar, just that in an RPG you are building a character and in strategy games you are building an empire or army. I'm guessing it is this aspect rather than the open gameplay that draws you to these games. That would explain why you don't really care for GTA even though it too has open gameplay. There is no character building in GTA, no character class, no skills to develop, no armies to create and position. For all it's supposed openess gameplay is pretty much the same for everyone even if it isn't linear.

Plus you said you're a pacifist, and GTA is simply an interactive fantasy game for every wannabe petty thief (which is why I cannot wait to play it).
Posted Feb 7, 2008 7:42 am PT
This may sound all too typical...but in Oblivion I like to just to sight seeing and "nature walking"

I know I know...GO OUTSIDE AND DO IT FOR REALZ! But there are no secret caves with hidden loot in the real world.
Posted Feb 7, 2008 7:46 am PT
I always felt GTA was less open because you played an avatar who was oly able to perform illegal acts. In Oblivion you can be a good guy (save the world ect) or a bad guy (kill random people, be a vampire ect) or as CreativePlug said, you can be anonymous. I think that variety makes Oblivion a much less arcady experience than GTA.

To your other question, i used to play a lot of DUNE years ago, and try and mess with the AI by sieging their main base, not really concerned with winning the levels. Ive also played Peggle for hours on end, trying to make rediculous combinations to capture on the replay. Was never a fan of Civ, but I used to get lost in Age of Empires making huge cities without any AI on the map.
Posted Feb 7, 2008 9:32 am PT
I find myself in a similar situation when I play RTSs, spending way too much time building up my main base, researching tech trees, etc. and not spending nearly enough time expanding my base / building up my army, seeking out new resource deposits when I absolutely need to. As such I'm absolutely terrible at these games, particularly in free-for-alls, with my typical matches ending when a massive army shows up on my doorstep and lays waste to the massive base I've spent so much time assiduously constructing. For some reason I never could get the timing quite right for building construction and "rushing." Big deal, I'm usually having too much damn fun to care.
Posted Apr 4, 2008 10:16 am PT
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