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Friday, Apr 3, 2009

I have read with great interest the comments made recently by many all over the site : in blogs, pm's, forums - the disquieting disappointment seems to be rampant and widespread. I have heard lowly newbies, mid-level climbers and high-rollers who have poured their hearts and souls into making this a great place for TV lovers to come and visit and be with friends - all share a love of the site and a desire to see it succeed. But there appear to be those who don't listen to the wind, those who "know" by some mysterious process of magical divination what is "best" for the rest of us, those that are above the work that we, the workers, do and the genuinely wise experience gained by senior editors who have made tens of thousands of submissions, written hundreds of thousands of words and spent countless hours working for our benefit.

Both the new show page and episode pages are now dysfunctional atrocities. And, admittedly it's a small thing, but just why was it necessary for the editors to lose their crowns? Unlike staff, they don't get paid. Was it that necessary, that important to take away the one thing they get for all their hard work and sacrifice - and just who was it necessary for and important to?

The elegant, functional and informative Episode Overview we had has been replaced by a sterile field of white and a sea of ads and listings which confuse the eye and have nothing to do with the episode itself. Cast, Crew, Notes, Trivia, and Allusions are now gone from sight and lost to easy access. Those listings, along the information they contained and the links embedded in them, served both the casual visitor and the working editor by being 'up front and personal,' not buried in multiple back pages. And what was the point of adding even more links if the new design was only going to hide them anyway? Why have the Episode Lists and Guides apparently lost the ability to display both show total and seasonal episode numbers, information which can be critical to working editors? Certainly, it must be said that the original bevy of flaws was much larger, and thankfully, several early mistakes have been rectified; but one wonders why this "new look", if necessary, wasn't better designed in the first place?

Anyone who's read my posts before knows that I prefer to be positive and abhor being rude or critical, but I'm getting there. Why should my job, and the jobs of all editors, be tougher to do because of decisions neither they, nor apparently even the site MODS, had any input on? Do the people who made these absurd decisions actually have show guides of their own to work? Perhaps that's the real problem here. Every single change effecting work and process should first be run by a committee of senior, experienced editors who are still actively working shows - the people who have been devoted to this site since its bloody inception. Please, enough already with the stylistic dilettantes and their sterile, counter-intuitive nonsense ...

Category: Opinion
Posted by DBizTV, 8:15am
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Actually, Jaxiecracks recently made a new blog entry that clears some things up on this:

http://www.tv.com/users/Jaxiecracks/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=m-100-25649230&tag=blogs_we_love;title

I completely agree with you, though. What was done to the episode guides is my most major complaint regarding the most recent redesign. With cast, crew, trivia, etc, now on separate pages, I've lost a lot of my will to submit to episode guides, and I'm sure it's the same with a lot of other users.

I'm also kinda disapointed about the ditching of the Editor's Crown. Though it doesn't matter to me as much as the horrific new layout of the episode guides, they were fun symbols to have, and becoming/being an editor doesn't really feel as good without it.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 8:30 am PT
Thanks for posting Jaxie's url, Pika. I've been there and commented and, like you, read every comment. The question, of course, is whether "new" management will listen to "old", experienced hands so that functionality and intuitive workability are not sacrificed needlessly - and people aren't so discouraged that they stop contributing.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 8:57 am PT
I totally agree with you. I do, however enjoy the new blog format (although I still miss the ability to put smilies in blog comments). The show formats are just terrible. Just as you said, all the Notes, Trivia, Quotes, Allusion, etc. is not readily visible. Why do they not listen to the people who put their heart and soul into this site. I miss having the emblems for editors and TC's too. What can we do to get them to listen??? What will it take??
Posted Apr 3, 2009 9:27 am PT
Hi DBiz, I agree as well. This is a tremendous letdown. There are so many other sites popping up all over the place, tv.com wannabe's and what was so unique about this site, the full detail of info put into the guides, has basically been cast aside for what? Simple is sometimes not better. People don't want to look at a blank page and click constantly.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 10:11 am PT
Stitch: I hear ya, Stitch Buddy, it's folks like you, with your work and blog funnies, that make this place a gas - but so many valued family members are leaving or thinking of leaving, it's distressing. All I know to do for now is post your thoughts in Jaxie's blog. But if someone has a better idea, I got more ears than Bugs Bunny!


AprilFox: You're so one of the builders I had in mind, April. You've given your time, your research and your wonderful heart to this site. They should listen to the folks who make it such a great place to be, before they pack up their hockey sticks and look for a new game.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 11:04 am PT
I couldn't agree more with your points here. The new design makes it a lot harder to find information and to edit that information. I hate not seeing the cast list on the main episode page and losing the top 5 trivia, notes etc from the front page is so stupid I can't believe it's happened. Incidentally, I noticed that the editor crowns still exist on the People pages even though they are no longer on the show pages. Presumably because these haven't been canibalised yet.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 11:41 am PT
No input from me at least, I'm pretty sure even the staff members didn't get much say in the matter this time.
I guess I see it from a different perspective from a lot of others as I hear things others don't but from what jaxie publicly said in her blog makes me believe they will make changes if they are allowed. I'd bet everyone has been told to do stuff at work that they don't want to and it's just that these guys' work can be seen by everyone. Just because they don't have a choice in the matter doesn't mean they like any more than we do...
Posted Apr 3, 2009 4:01 pm PT
HR: Loved your cannibalized line, HR. Yeah, some editors put a lot of work into getting good Notes, Trivia and properly ordered cast lists, etc. organized - and now they're hidden away. I had to do a search for a mislabeled Star earlier - going thru each episode meant an extra click each time. Barf. Hey, at least the mouse manufacturers will love it!

Dan: Hey, pardner. I was purposefully vague about who the boogie man was here because I'm not high enough on the food chain to be an entree, but I still think whoever's calling the shots should be consulting with a crew of people like you, April, dmarex and others. I know we've both seen agent's blog and don't want to see more of that. It's just sad that so many who've worked so hard feel so alienated. I truly respect what you guys built here.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 5:36 pm PT
I first came here to learn about Naruto and I thought tv.com was wonderful. Then they started to change things. I was having a ball putting in submissions, doing all of that. I even wanted to be an editor. Not any more. The only thing keeping me here now is the friends I have made here and the Naruto forum. Otherwise I would leave...
Posted Apr 3, 2009 8:14 pm PT
I feel your pain. I can't even think of the time that I have put in here without feeling sick. What else could I have accomplished with that time and whatever it was it would most likely be appreciated unlike my work here. Oh well best not to dwell on the wasted past. By the way I gave you Trusted Contributor for Terminator and Sanctuary. Got tired of moderating good work. Thanks for all the help.
Posted Apr 3, 2009 9:39 pm PT
Scatha: Don't go, C. The site needs more beautiful, magical people like you. All your friends would miss you so. We need to hang in there, stay positive and hope common sense prevails - and besides we all need to pull together and get Pika out of the rain before he catches pneumonia.

Lowriderz: First - I be humbled and grateful (but you're still welcome to smack me upside the head if I screw up. Second - I and everyone else who appreciates good, hard productive work appreciates you, brother (especially us Sci Fi geeks ). Third - Just two days till the season starts, man! Good luck against those Pirates, Monday. Hope springs eternal, see you in the World Series!
Posted Apr 4, 2009 1:45 am PT
Well there were plenty of people who helped build the site before I got here, it's sad to see even them start to move on. It's just the nature of the site that people will lose interest after so long, but when people are leaving because they are upset with the site I have a problem with that.
Posted Apr 4, 2009 2:43 pm PT
Amen!

After reading Jaxie's blog, it seems we have confirmation that CBS is trying to go after Hulu's audience. Unfortunately, they haven't yet figured out that they are already too late to accomplish that. It would be like Altavista.com trying to take market share away from Google. In their advertising campaign, Hulu has Alec Baldwin, Jennifer Love Hewitt and Seth McFarlane in 30-second television ads that span all the major networks and cable channels. TV.com has faceless ads that air only CBS for about three seconds. They were beaten before they even started.

All the "wonderful changes" they've done to adapt the site for streaming television viewers has been a futile effort and resulted in the loss of the site's identity. It's sad when you think about it.
Posted Apr 4, 2009 2:47 pm PT
Dan: It's the nature of the site, but that's just because it's a poorly designed game. Whatever computer game you're playing, if you can't amass more points, weapons, new levels, something - you're gonna get bored and quit. The curve for high rollers here is absurd. What'd you need, 20-30,000 more subs to get to 100? Why have that kind of a ceiling? Who cares if the high score is 125 or 150, keep the vets in the game, motivated to keep playing! But, you're right, the "turned off" leaving is way worse. Say, what do ya think of the new avatar that scatha made for me? I figured if you could go around as some blonde chick, I could be a cat for a while.

Hoeech: Amen, brother, and welcome. I'm a real fan of some of the shots I've seen you take at Dan on his blog. Now I don't blog quite as often as some folks do, so I really appreciate the free pass you gave me this time. And may I say that I think you got a raw deal on Dan's summaries. You made a stand-up offer to help a friend and got "thanks, but no thanks." You just can't help some people. Anyway, let's hope we're not "Hulu" hooped out of existance. You're right about those ads, I love the Alec Baldwin as an alien brain-eater spot just a "tad" more than the person playing twister in the boob tube spot.
Posted Apr 4, 2009 5:11 pm PT
Oh I see, it's like that is it?! Haha, I suppose being able to pick on the younger generation is a perk of being older.

Having high targets are really just to make it seem better when we get to reach a new level. At the minute it's 2250 subs per level for me. In the old days before they fixed the levels over 50, it took around 8000 subs to get from level 57 to 58!
Posted Apr 5, 2009 3:09 am PT
So the terrible gutting of the site format is the work of the same class of evil geniuses (MBA's) that brought us the Global Financial Meltdown, eh? Figures. (Love the new avatar. MEOW!)
Posted Apr 5, 2009 10:04 am PT
Dan: You young guys always go right for that age thing, don'cha? That's all right because A) I deserved it, B) it's gonna happen to you, too and C) I'm gonna be there LMAO when they're feeding you oatmeal, buddy, if I have to live till I'm a hundred years old ... no, make that a 120 years old ... no, medical advances plus ... 140 years old!


m00n: MBA's? That would be Misread Brain Allocation Schedule? Not to offend any business major's out there, folks, it's all in good fun. Really. Glad you like the new look, D, please pass on my mucho grande appreciation to scatha! As angelandspike knows, wherever she is, my imagery skills are cave painting level at best - so without a little help from a talented friend I'd still be a tiny Martian dude (and he's not happy, m00n, so keep your claws sharp and a cat's eye open) .,.
Posted Apr 5, 2009 12:01 pm PT
I truly hope that Martian Dude will always be my beloved friend, DBizCat. I know I'll always be your friend and his, and of all the gang in your neighborhood. You-all will always be loved, appreciated and anticipated. Your friend for the duration, no exceptions, conditions, or time-limits applied; m00nshadow.
Posted Apr 7, 2009 10:31 pm PT
I agree. This site has changed a lot and sometimes for the better, but mostly for the worst. There have been countless times where i have lost friends because of everything that happens. Really it is not fair, the users should have a say in what occurs. They should realize what happens has a direct affect on us and will contribute to the decisions we make on this site and about this site.
Posted Apr 23, 2009 12:35 am PT
avatargirl: Hullo .,. The good news since I posted this piece is that the staff has gotten permission to listen and they've restored some of the missing pieces. Better yet, they're still listening. Visit Jaxiecracks' Blog if you want to voice your opinion as far as which features you'd like to see posted on the episode pages. The Staff is also forming a committee of editors who will be checked with regularly and before future changes are implemented, an idea championed by many before me. The real good news is that I know of a number of folks who are heartened enough by these changes to stick around and remain active on the site. And may your heart always be as bright as your beautiful avatar is.
Posted Apr 23, 2009 2:39 pm PT
Just to clarify one thing: I don't take shots at Dan. Dan's a pretty cool guy who will listen when you bring something to his attention. What I take shots at is the seemingly inflammatory changes that serve no constructive purpose other than to appease the new owners of the site. They seem to want to take something that was working quite nicely and then **** it all up.
Posted May 5, 2009 5:36 pm PT
I was totally just ribbing Dan, Tom, and I apologize if I gave any other impression. I'm a big fan of Magic Dan. I appreciate thinking, feistiness, wit, sarcasm - all things which activate brain cells rather than put them to sleep - so I have always appreciated your posts, which are invariably thought provoking and entertaining. Again, sorry if it appeared otherwise.
Posted May 6, 2009 7:56 am PT
TV.com use to be my sanctuary. I simply loved coming here to contribute and blog like crazy. It was great fun! THE greatest, and the greatest Community (which is now, sadly, all but snuffed out), as well. Although I still visit this site several times a day, I never come without a pitchfork or torch in hand. Thanks to CBS' invasion and disregard for the people who've made/are making TV.com what it is today, the attitude I've come to assume while I'm here, is nothing short of abhorrent. It sickens me. Each time I place myself under the TVdot thumb, only serves to remind me that I have stooped to CBS' level. Hmm. Maybe that's what they mean by "fixing" the Level System. Surely, we are no longer happily dancing a TV.com Hokey Pokey, as this is definitely NOT what it's suppose to be all about.
Posted May 10, 2009 12:08 pm PT
Loved your latest blog, Sparkle. Unfortunately, I missed the early TV.com magic, but the changes I've seen have been kinda depressing. I honestly wouldn't still be coming here if it wasn't for all the great friends I've been fortunate enough to make.
Posted May 10, 2009 2:38 pm PT
The latest breakdown/kerfuffle only underscores the continuing loss of functionality and community here. And, what was goin' on earlier today I want to know? Sssssssssssss.
Posted May 21, 2009 6:58 pm PT
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