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Friday, Sep 21, 2007

Sorry... my free time has been nonexistent this week. The short answer is that I had to pick up the slack for two lazy people.

The long answer is as follows:

Damn group projects, why is it that I always end up with the laziest people possible? I suppose a little back story is necessary. In my C++ class we were separated into groups that, ideally, would work together on projects during the course of the semester. I didn't get to choose, I was assigned.

There are only two girls in the class, both of which ended up in my group, and both are proving to be excess baggage. That and there's another guy in our group.

One girl has been totally unaccessible, which is ridiculous, because on day one we all exchanged phone numbers, email, IM, hell the other guy in our group even set up a forum for us to communicate through. Nothing, she won't pick up her phone, respond to email, login to the forum, or even show up for class.

The second girl is just as bad, she nods her head and agrees to anything, but when it comes time to deliver; she's not around. She's across town getting her braces tightened, talking to her adviser, driving a friend around... she tends to be anywhere but where she's supposed to be, and always at the last second too. That and she's the type to throw up her hands and say "I just don't get it," before she even tries. I despise people like that, you don't learn by not doing (tee-hee double negative), try damn it. And if you can't make it work, ask.

As you all well know, I'm the type to explain things in EXCRUCIATING detail. But what you don't know is that I'm the type that can always find time to help people with their studies, I would have driven out to the school, a library, Star Bucks, where ever she wanted and worked with her until she got it. All on my own time too, I've done it before, I'll probably do it again. Hell, I've done that for people whom I don't currently share a course with. All I ask is that they show up and make an effort. I'm practically a saint. And if not me, then why not the teacher? This woman's got a doctorate in the subject, has real world experience, and more office hours than anyone. I thought I was past this crap when I completed all my freshman level courses.

The other guy in my group, he's alright, he shows up when we say we're going to a meeting, he's inexperienced, but picks up quick enough to generate working code. Sorry for the rant, just needed to purge some pent up emotion.

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Ah, was wondering what was holding you up. And does having you in their group mean they get good marks even though they haven't done any work?
Posted Sep 21, 2007 5:58 pm PT
Ouch. We've all been there but it still sucks to here about it. Similiar story:

7th Grade Newspaper Project for Social Studies. We're assigned to groups of 4 to make a newspaper about Mesopotamia or something (can't remember the details) Basically what happens is the same here. One of the girls was putting efort in but not the smartest. Not really her fault, she's the least to blame. But then the other two. One was this kid who has all these medical problems and always got sick. Again, sickness is something he can't control, but he's supposed to make up the work not just let me do it. And then the other was a slacker kid, completely incompetent and doesn't give a damn about anything about his grade.

My suggestion. If the kids are gettting good marks on your work, just tell the proffesor that the two girls have done absolutely nothing of any help at all. It seems low but really, it's justified.
Posted Sep 21, 2007 7:48 pm PT
@ alx- not necessarily (see skine response)

@ skine- don't have to talk to the teacher. Writing computer code isn't terribly dissimilar to writing paragraphs, everyone has their own style. My coding style is as anal as my writing, she'll know the program is largely mine. That and I left some interesting comments hidden away in the code. Besides, the way things are going, these girls will likely drop eventually anyway. They don't seem the types to tough things out.
Posted Sep 21, 2007 8:33 pm PT
Well that's good then.
Posted Sep 21, 2007 9:03 pm PT
Hidden comments in the code? Interesting.
Posted Sep 21, 2007 11:50 pm PT
Yep, i dislike group projects for that reason, that there will always be at least one jerk who doesn't pull their weight. it's one of the few times you will see elle explode at people. incompetent, lazy, unreliable....*exhales*
and why such a huge point of them being girls?
well, nice to hear from you again. i wish you all the best.
Posted Sep 22, 2007 1:25 am PT
@ skine- yep

@ alx- common programmer practice. We have to place comments in the code, to let other programmer's know what certain lines are trying to accomplish. Because it'll likely be someone else that has to maintain it and/or update it. Some programs, if you were to print them out on paper, would take up 300 pages or so. No one wants to play "guess what this does" with a behemoth like that. Basically if you don't comment, you'll likely receive death threats. Comments are also a place to vent frustration during the development process. It isn't uncommon to see things like:

\\ the hell, it's 4:00 am, I can't believe upper management said I could complete this in two days.

@ vici- too bad all projects in that class will be group projects, *shudders* the next one has just been assigned. Programmer's tend to be solitary control freak types and they're trying to teach us teamwork. And my emphasis on them being girls... Simple really. They are two young women working towards a degree in a male dominated field, you would think that they would have something to prove, or that they'd at least show interest in the course. There is literally only a handful of women in the whole department. Why put yourself through that if you don't really care about the subject?
Posted Sep 22, 2007 8:56 am PT
I would beat them up and teach them some lesions.cya
Posted Sep 22, 2007 3:16 pm PT
Down with civil disobedience! In fact....
I'm gonna sit right here and not leave untill you stop using civil disobedience!
Posted Sep 22, 2007 3:42 pm PT
thats terrible when you have to suffer from a sucky group
Posted Sep 22, 2007 6:49 pm PT
Very true. just i've never encountered a girl like that. I myself was always determined not to let people dismiss me as a good for nothing pretty girl. My own peers never make a point of my being a girl. i probably do FAR too many things where i end up being the only lass, sports and scholastic, but i want to be there, i give a damn about what i'm doing, i do it damn well and i bring something different to the table. I end up not minding the initial ogling because they all learn very quickly i can outdo many of them professionally. but then they end up all meek and intimidated and i want to belt them. alright, i'll take this rant elsewhere.
Posted Sep 23, 2007 1:51 am PT
My brother complains about the same issues, and he is working on his Masters. Makes you wonder just what a degree really is worth.

Personally I hire based on experience and an interview, the degree is a bonus. A degree looks nice on the wall but I want to know you can do the job.
Posted Sep 23, 2007 8:25 am PT
@ majestccryx- hmm... wouldn't be much of a fight, most girls I know have glass jaws... that and there's the whole being shunned by the greater part of society thing.

@ Skine- hope the chair you sit in while on the computer doubles as a toilet

@ gameshark- totally

@ Vici- hell yeah, I happen to find capable women attractive. I can't stand the "I can't do ____, I'm a girl," types. It gets tired, especially when you're the guy they turn to for answers. Naturally these same women ignore me the rest of the time. Great, now I've got a rant going.

@ Warfust- yeah, the deeper I go down the river academia the more things look the same. I'm fully convinced that a degree is worth little more than the time invested in obtaining it.
Posted Sep 23, 2007 3:15 pm PT
meh, well i suppose the real question would be, do the capable women find YOU attractive muahaha...
Posted Sep 27, 2007 4:52 am PT
cold vici... just cold
Posted Sep 29, 2007 3:05 pm PT
Oh god I'm really sorry. that was much b!tchier in text than elle would ever have said it. I'm really sorry. well i think you're attractive. and by contrast i did not just say that as a cruel jest of sorts. but yeah, actually considering what an oddball i am my affection is probably an insult
Posted Sep 29, 2007 11:57 pm PT
@ Vici

A. don't worry about it, I'm going through a bit of a dry spell. Haven't been on a date since summer and haven't had a GF per se since high school. Bad luck on both our parts that I happened to read that at a moment when I was feeling a touch bummed about it. Even I'm weak sometimes. I know you're not the type to be mean.

b. I'm way more out there than you are, so I don't find your affection insulting.

c. and yes, I'm very attractive. I have all my teeth and I'm symmetrical, oh yeah, I've got it going on all right. I'm doing sexy poses right now.
Posted Oct 2, 2007 6:39 pm PT
"And all is right in the world"
except, perhaps, for the latter part of Point C. Disturbing stuff.
Posted Oct 3, 2007 12:41 am PT
I've only had a few group projects to do in college. Luckily, all the people in my group were always very cooperative. Sucks that your team mate isn't pulling her weight.
Posted Oct 5, 2007 10:18 pm PT
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