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So, Sam is The Vessel for Lucifer. That's just it. Here are some quotes from my blog.
Final Seal Is Broken
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| But how would you kill "spiritual presence"? I guess we will have Lucifer in a meatsuit. I hope it is not Sam, but it is possible... |
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| I hope that we will have Sam as Evil Supernova and not as 'just some guy that went dark side'. I think that the only thing that can save Supernatural now is Super Freaking Powerful Evil Sam. It is interesting when we have shades of gray, but when we have too much of that it's just misery. |
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| So, I guess Dean has to play some role in this mystery of Predecessor and Coming One. It is debatable who that Coming One is. It depends on who we are talking about whether we are talking about evil prince or hero that will stop him. So, it is possible that Sam is a vessel for Lucifer and Dean has to stop this. As I've said before on my blog Sam was a PERFECT vessel for Lucifer. But there is a possibility that Sam is just very powerful supernatural being, he is little bit dark inside, but not generally evil. And it is possible that both Sam and Dean are essential for defeating Lucifer and Lilith. Now as I have mentioned on CW forum Ruby is perfect ally for Sam. And she is back. But her influence on him is debatable. She does help him, but she also encourages him to explore his dark side. Yes, he is using his gifts for good, but it is possible that he will be sucked in. So, it is possible that Ruby is preparing a vessel for Lucifer. That's where her influence can be in sync with Lilith's. Lilith was afraid when her powers went puff with Sam. But that can only mean one thing, as I've already mentioned, Sam has something of Lucifer in him. And this is protecting him. Lucifer's powers are much more powerful than Lilith's. And now there is only one way for Lilith - to bring back Lucifer completely or be defeated by Sam. She does not consider later case to be an option. |
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| It is funny that deliberately or not, but Sam Winchester's horoscope has two of the three stars commonly associated with Evil by some astrologers - Algol and Antares. :-) ... So, I guess, Lucifer will be rising after all... |
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| So, if we accept the idea of Sam as Samael, then there are few ways to speculate about that. Venus (Lucifer) can be highlighted in horoscope, degrees of Zodiac connected with Lucifer can be highlighted or fictional planet Lucifer can be highlighted. That's pretty much it. So, what we have? |
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Astrology can give you certain hints about the story if this particular story follows the myth. Explanation is pretty simple - both astrology and myth belong to the same realm. And through that person or group of people can influence others, cause we all want to believe. :-)
So, I think you did notice that Sam-Lucifer have special and intimate relationship. Let's leave it at that for now. I have to remind you that bromance between Sam and Dean corresponds with relationship between Lucifer and Creator. Once upon a time... everything was different.
Think about possible implications of... Lucifer-Sam and Dean-God!!! I hope that Dean will have a chance to save Sam.
So, I was right when I said
"So, it is logical to make an assumption that in order to escape Lucifer will have to make a new demon out of human being. And who is more powerful than Lilith? Sam. "
Seal 66 and Lucifer's Firsthttp://www.tv.com/users/AlexanderR80/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=m-100-25665834
So, Lucifer will be very grateful to Sam... I guess.
Cliffhanger:
What is going to happen to Sam and Dean?
How does Lucifer rise exactly? Will he possess someone, Sam for example?
I know that EK said that Lucifer will be mostly spiritual presence. Yes, my words exactly. :-)
http://lounge.cwtv.com/showpost.php?p=5877471&postcount=2440
So, Lucifer is god for his followers as we have seen in s4 finalee.
But in my experience if EK is saying something it usually means opposite. So, I think it is possible that Lucifer will be a real character in show. "Spiritual presence" is not so bad in my opinion.
But how would you kill "spiritual presence"? I guess we will have Lucifer in a meatsuit.
I hope it is not Sam, but it is possible...
This finalee did not make me cry... I don't know whether it is a good thing or not.
What role does Dean have in all this? Why HE was chosen?
I am sure we all have a lot of questions about Dean. And we still have only one answer - Dean was the one who started all this.
But his mistake does not look too bad in comparison to angelic politics. He was tortured and angels were abandoned or at least they think so. So, who's crime was bigger?
I do not want to speculate too much on this subject because there is no point in searching for explanation when you are not sure in motives of characters. I mean, who benefits?
Angels act as terrorists tying to force a communication with God through a threat of Lucifer's rising and Apocalypse. Is it a good thing?
Will angels use Dean's body to make him an angel, give him Grace, give him angelic powers, possess him? There are lots of possibilities. It will be interesting to see how it is going to play out, but I don't see why we should be worried about this too much. Let's wait for season finalee.
What I wanna do is remind you of my interpretation of Dean's Natal Chart I gave some time ago.
Dean Winchester - Natal HoroscopeAnd make extra interpretations in order to explain Dean's 'Chosen' status.
To do that I have to accept the following time of birth 24th January 1979, 3am-local, Lawrence, Kansas
How I make assumptions on time of birth - that's a long story, you don't wanna know. :-)
Dean has Uranus in Scorpio in I House (Full Sign House System). I think that Dean was born on 3am for a different reason, you can read my post on his Natal Horoscope.
But Uranus in I House is a good explanation of 'Chosen', because in ancient astrology Uranus was known as outer factor, as supposed planet after the last one - Saturn. So, Uranus was considered to be 'Will of God', 'Gift of God'. It is believed that only God can make such a choice(to make you a 'Chosen One' ). You can not have a good life and somehow 'get it'. That's God logic and God's choice.
In case of Dean - resurrection from Hell.
So, Uranus in I House... I House directly means person and personality of native (person). Hence it means that there is some evidence that God may or may not choose this person for something.
But besides that, Uranus is in trine to N. Node in X House close to Saturn in the same House. So, it means that it might happen after person has fulfilled his Saturn cycle, which is approximately 29 years. :-)
X House is a House of Mission, Goal, Achievement, Hierarchical Ladder.
So, Dean gives himself to God and angels, swears his allegiance. It makes sense. So, he solves his Sun-Jupiter opposition by that and problems that come from this aspect. He finds his Jupiter (Ancients connected Jupiter planet and God's Power). :-) But his Jupiter is in the same House as Black Moon, bad carma or Lilith, so he can be betrayed by his masters. I guess this one is about angels.
But we should not forget that Dean was chosen by God, not by angels, they were barely an instrument of His Will, even if they disobey Him. So, Dean will have to discover his true gift (of understanding God's Will) in order to fulfill his Mission. And it is possible that he would have to disobey angels.
So, will he become an angel or not, whether he will get angelic powers or not - that's not so important. What is important - he was chosen by God and God has Plan for him.
